Anonymous wrote:This argument about the prior DV charge against Heard is really ridiculous. That charge was dropped and appeared to be a misunderstanding, potentially based on the fact that both parties involved were women and cops do not have a great track record in handling DV cases with regards to same-sex relationships.

The "victim" in that prior charge has said many times that was a misunderstanding and that Heard did not hurt her.

It's interesting how the people screaming about "watch the trial!" and "look at the facts!" regularly get facts wrong, exaggerating character evidence against Heard, but ignore all the evidence against Depp. And by the way, I think it's true Heard engaged in abusive behavior, that this relationship was toxic, and that there are no real winners here. But it's also very obvious that Depp had drug and alcohol problems, was violent and rage-prone, and was abusive towards Heard. He says so in his own text messages -- he talks about his behavior with shame and knows what he did was wrong. He abused her!

People get this idea in their head of what an abuse victim is supposed to look like and if they have sympathies towards the abuser (which many do for Depp, he's a celebrity, a talented actor we've watched in movies for decades -- most people probably have some sympathy for him), they will go to great lengths to look for ways that the accuser must be lying or exaggerating, must of brought this on herself, etc. But abuse is abuse. I've had people act provocatively towards me, try to engage me in fights, etc. I've never abused any of them. See? It's not that hard.

Depp abused Heard. Her op-ed was not a lie. WaPo put an inaccurate headline on it and she retweeted the headline, which is the thinnest possible premise for a case like this.

The verdict is unjust. And I don't say that as a fan or defender of Heard (who is deeply flawed) but as someone who cares about abuse survivors in general. This case is a travesty.

All of this. I don't understand why so much important evidence in her favor was excluded, such as one of Depp's guys writing about having seen him kick her, her therapist's notes on all the times she was hit, her nightgown torn etc. But even with what was allowed, it was clear he abused her. Doesn't matter if there was mutual abuse or that in a toxic relationship she instigated at times, the truth is that he abused her.

This argument about the prior DV charge against Heard is really ridiculous. That charge was dropped and appeared to be a misunderstanding, potentially based on the fact that both parties involved were women and cops do not have a great track record in handling DV cases with regards to same-sex relationships.

The "victim" in that prior charge has said many times that was a misunderstanding and that Heard did not hurt her.

It's interesting how the people screaming about "watch the trial!" and "look at the facts!" regularly get facts wrong, exaggerating character evidence against Heard, but ignore all the evidence against Depp. And by the way, I think it's true Heard engaged in abusive behavior, that this relationship was toxic, and that there are no real winners here. But it's also very obvious that Depp had drug and alcohol problems, was violent and rage-prone, and was abusive towards Heard. He says so in his own text messages -- he talks about his behavior with shame and knows what he did was wrong. He abused her!

People get this idea in their head of what an abuse victim is supposed to look like and if they have sympathies towards the abuser (which many do for Depp, he's a celebrity, a talented actor we've watched in movies for decades -- most people probably have some sympathy for him), they will go to great lengths to look for ways that the accuser must be lying or exaggerating, must of brought this on herself, etc. But abuse is abuse. I've had people act provocatively towards me, try to engage me in fights, etc. I've never abused any of them. See? It's not that hard.

Depp abused Heard. Her op-ed was not a lie. WaPo put an inaccurate headline on it and she retweeted the headline, which is the thinnest possible premise for a case like this.

The verdict is unjust. And I don't say that as a fan or defender of Heard (who is deeply flawed) but as someone who cares about abuse survivors in general. This case is a travesty.

I really cannot understand how all these abuse victims cannot let go of preconceived gender roles- its obvious that Heard was the instigator of abuse and Depp was responding. He's still a loser who left his partner and mother pf his children to have a midlife crisis with a 22 year old but that is an error of judgement and character. Heard has multiple accusations of DV, he has one, with her. do people honestly think men are the only ones capable of DV?? so there is no DV in lesbian relationships?? he was the one freaking out, spiraling, acting crazy during the marriage. even during the trial she mostly looked smug from the few images I saw. So if you compare the behaviors that you are describing- Depp is acting like you did, heard behaved like your abusive ex. I think getting out of the relationship, putting it behind him did allow Depp to capitalize on his power as a beloved celeb and he kind of snapped out of the role of victim but I absolutely believe he was the victim in the relationship. the firsthand relationships that you are describing actually add to my certainty and I have thought Depp a loser since he decided to play a Disney pirate, im a gen xer and he sold out to the Man and is sooooo uncool that I cant believe I spent time typing this out on his behalf. that being said- no-one but God actually knows what goes down in a marriage.. theirs was a toxic dumpster fire.

Anonymous wrote:People who have not been in an abusive situation really don’t understand how it works. When I was with my emotionally abusive boyfriend, I felt crazy. I lost my temper all the time, screamed, yelled, etc. That was not my personality before or since. But I felt so powerless and undermined by his constant gaslighting that I started to lose my grip on reality. So when I heard testimony from AH that she pushed Depp or screamed at him, that was familiar to me. She was much younger than him and she was living on the hellscape alternative reality that is life with an abuser. The texts Depp sent about her were absolutely chilling in their misogyny, and it’s the language of abuse that I immediately recognized. I couldn’t even listen to any more after that. The fact that he has so manipulated the public is extremely depressing to me. He is a substance abuser, yes, and also an abuser.

She already had dv charges against her from a previous relationship and spent a night in jail for it. She grew up fighting, beating up her sister. She has mug shots as a teenager, left home at 17 and says she can fight like she's from a trailer. She was not some young naive girl. The penthouses with JD were filled with her friends and family. They all lived there free. This was not a hellscape alternative reality for AH. She brought multiple men and women through the elevator and building for affairs. This was not a trapped woman. She was doing many drugs like mdma, cocaine and drinking 2 bottles of wine a day, not to mention xanax, seroquel etc. They were equally abusing substances.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the jurors admitted that they thought they both abused each other.

Ok fine, no one said she was perfect. However, if he abused her, then she did not defame him by saying she was a victim of domestic abuse. How do people not get this?

Perhaps, but did she not also accuse Depp of raping her with a bottle in the op-Ed? I don’t think anyone has said they believe that allegation, which was also apart of the civil suit.

his name is not even in the Op Ed and there are no details... the headline, which was written by WAPO, says "sexual violence" but there are no
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She referred to her husband. She only ever had 1 husband.

Anonymous wrote:People who have not been in an abusive situation really don’t understand how it works. When I was with my emotionally abusive boyfriend, I felt crazy. I lost my temper all the time, screamed, yelled, etc. That was not my personality before or since. But I felt so powerless and undermined by his constant gaslighting that I started to lose my grip on reality. So when I heard testimony from AH that she pushed Depp or screamed at him, that was familiar to me. She was much younger than him and she was living on the hellscape alternative reality that is life with an abuser. The texts Depp sent about her were absolutely chilling in their misogyny, and it’s the language of abuse that I immediately recognized. I couldn’t even listen to any more after that. The fact that he has so manipulated the public is extremely depressing to me. He is a substance abuser, yes, and also an abuser.

Thank you for writing this. I ran into my abuser at a public park months after last seeing them and even though my kid was with me and there were people around, I lost it. Just started crying and swearing and freaking out. My friend kept trying to get me to leave and that is ultimately what we did but at first that suggestion just made me so angry. Why should I have to leave a public space to get away from someone who assaulted me and abused me? Why should I have to tell my kid “nope you gotta get off the swings, we’re leaving” because this person who did terrible things to me has showed up and triggered my PTSD? I was so angry. I remember talking about it with my therapist and she told me about studies where rage is associated with feelings of powerlessness— it’s an emotion of last resort.

What I hate most thinking back though is how an outsider looking at that situation would have seen me crying and ranting and raving and thought I was nuts, and seen my abuser being calm and saying/doing nothing and assumed they were in the right. And that’s how abuse looks all the time. The person in control looks, well, in control. The victim is losing it because they are terrified and angry. So people believe the abuser. I mean look how calm he is. And look at this woman with her crocodile tears— she must be lying.

This trial has brought so much back. I avoided it as much as I could but it’s so familiar you can’t not look. This is what abuse looks like.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the jurors admitted that they thought they both abused each other.

Ok fine, no one said she was perfect. However, if he abused her, then she did not defame him by saying she was a victim of domestic abuse. How do people not get this?

Perhaps, but did she not also accuse Depp of raping her with a bottle in the op-Ed? I don’t think anyone has said they believe that allegation, which was also apart of the civil suit.

his name is not even in the Op Ed and there are no details... the headline, which was written by WAPO, says "sexual violence" but there are no
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Yeah and then she went on detailing all the violence (being punched in the face multiple times so hard that she thought her nose was broken) and sexual violence (being raped by a broken bottle) during her testimony. She would have been better off arguing that she didn't write the title and only accuse JD of emotional/verbal abuse, but that would not have fit her narrative of the ultimate victim of domestic violence. She was aiming for sensationalism

Or she could have stuck with her original story that the article wasn’t about Depp.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the jurors admitted that they thought they both abused each other.

Ok fine, no one said she was perfect. However, if he abused her, then she did not defame him by saying she was a victim of domestic abuse. How do people not get this?

Perhaps, but did she not also accuse Depp of raping her with a bottle in the op-Ed? I don’t think anyone has said they believe that allegation, which was also apart of the civil suit.

his name is not even in the Op Ed and there are no details... the headline, which was written by WAPO, says "sexual violence" but there are no
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Yeah and then she went on detailing all the violence (being punched in the face multiple times so hard that she thought her nose was broken) and sexual violence (being raped by a broken bottle) during her testimony. She would have been better off arguing that she didn't write the title and only accuse JD of emotional/verbal abuse, but that would not have fit her narrative of the ultimate victim of domestic violence. She was aiming for sensationalism

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Anonymous wrote:One of the jurors admitted that they thought they both abused each other.

Ok fine, no one said she was perfect. However, if he abused her, then she did not defame him by saying she was a victim of domestic abuse. How do people not get this?

Perhaps, but did she not also accuse Depp of raping her with a bottle in the op-Ed? I don’t think anyone has said they believe that allegation, which was also apart of the civil suit.

his name is not even in the Op Ed and there are no details... the headline, which was written by WAPO, says "sexual violence" but there are no
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Sure and if that’s what she/her lawyers had argued, that would be relevant. But she got up in the witness stand and told the jury about the sexual violence she allegedly experienced at the hands of Depp, right? I think on the face of it, she should have won but what she got up and said in court lost her the case.

Exactly! She actually said "that's why I wrote the oped about him".

So was she lying when she said the Op-Ed wasn’t about Depp or was she lying when she said it was about him?

A charitable (to her) explanation would be that she wrote it about her experience, which was at least partly due to him, however she did not name him and she was aiming to address a larger, more universal societal problem. Since she had some abuse as a child and maybe other bad experiences (?), she could have done a better (for her!) explanation, but she did not.

What does the above have to do with the question you responded to. She has claimed for years the Op-Ed wasn’t about him. But then on the stand she says it was about him. Jurors have to make their decision based on the facts presented to them. And the facts were that Amber was a liar.

many people have said that the law and even the facts were good for AH but that her own testimony was not in her favor!

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Anonymous wrote:One of the jurors admitted that they thought they both abused each other.

Ok fine, no one said she was perfect. However, if he abused her, then she did not defame him by saying she was a victim of domestic abuse. How do people not get this?

Perhaps, but did she not also accuse Depp of raping her with a bottle in the op-Ed? I don’t think anyone has said they believe that allegation, which was also apart of the civil suit.

his name is not even in the Op Ed and there are no details... the headline, which was written by WAPO, says "sexual violence" but there are no
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Sure and if that’s what she/her lawyers had argued, that would be relevant. But she got up in the witness stand and told the jury about the sexual violence she allegedly experienced at the hands of Depp, right? I think on the face of it, she should have won but what she got up and said in court lost her the case.

Exactly! She actually said "that's why I wrote the oped about him".

So was she lying when she said the Op-Ed wasn’t about Depp or was she lying when she said it was about him?

A charitable (to her) explanation would be that she wrote it about her experience, which was at least partly due to him, however she did not name him and she was aiming to address a larger, more universal societal problem. Since she had some abuse as a child and maybe other bad experiences (?), she could have done a better (for her!) explanation, but she did not.

What does the above have to do with the question you responded to. She has claimed for years the Op-Ed wasn’t about him. But then on the stand she says it was about him.

Jurors have to make their decision based on the facts presented to them. And the facts were that Amber was a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe Johnny either. Two druggie abusers. Yuck.

That's what one juror said, basically spot on.

Then he is guilty of abuse and he should not have won.

Agree - they both should have lost their cases.

He said he brought the case because she ruined his career while there is tons of evidence he ruined his career years prior due to being late, drunk and unprepared for lines costing Disney many millions of dollars.

Both cases should have been thrown out.

Anonymous wrote:The misogyny of the coverage (and observers) disgusted me. Is she an angel? Obviously not. Did she deserve the nasty portrayal she received? I also don’t think so.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is a sad confirmation of Heard’s op-Ed, and proof that we have a long way to go as a society when it comes to addressing domestic abuse.

Agree, we DO have a long way to go when it comes to addressing domestic abuse. Amber Heard is still the abuser here.

You don’t actually know that. Anyone pretending they know exactly what the dynamic was between them is fooling themselves and molding the evidence to fit their preferred narrative.

7 jurors agreed. Don't say they are pretending and fooling themselves!

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Anonymous wrote:People who have not been in an abusive situation really don’t understand how it works. When I was with my emotionally abusive boyfriend, I felt crazy. I lost my temper all the time, screamed, yelled, etc. That was not my personality before or since. But I felt so powerless and undermined by his constant gaslighting that I started to lose my grip on reality. So when I heard testimony from AH that she pushed Depp or screamed at him, that was familiar to me. She was much younger than him and she was living on the hellscape alternative reality that is life with an abuser. The texts Depp sent about her were absolutely chilling in their misogyny, and it’s the language of abuse that I immediately recognized. I couldn’t even listen to any more after that. The fact that he has so manipulated the public is extremely depressing to me. He is a substance abuser, yes, and also an abuser.

OR it could be that Amber was the abuser and it brought out the worst in JD. Women can also inflict horrific emotional and verbal abuse. JD has had years of relationships with multiple other women and not one has said a peep about him being an abuser - quite the opposite in fact. I'm sorry this happened to you. I can imagine how triggering listening to or engaging with this trial would be.

NP, but I’ll add that Amber was arrested and charged with DV in 2009.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amber-heard-arrested-domestic-violence-181100425.html

Was that submitted into evidence in the trial?

Anonymous wrote:You Depp defenders should listen to the episode of On The Media called “How The Media Failed Amber Heard.” You might change your mind about things like the poop in the bed (which was most likely from their dog) and other manipulations.

I don't base my opinions on media coverage. I watched the trial with an open mind and based my opinions on the trial alone--both Amber, Johnny and the witnesses.

That's how I'd want it if I was on trial. Base your decisions on the evidence and testimony.