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Anonymous wrote:I would enjoy just the news, both sides of the issue, without political commentary.

Only if there is rigorous fact checking. Otherwise, it's just a mouthpiece for GOP propaganda. No thanks. No one lies like the GOP. They're really good at it.

Cable news networks are a plague on society. They are terrible at journalism and motivated to broadcast uninformed speciation before confirming facts when covering actual news, but most of their programming is not news at all but superficial and slanted commentary aimed at emotional responses from targeted demographics. They are not the places to learn facts and context and no one should base their opinion of anything on a segment from any TV news program or network. There is no reason for anyone to listen to this shit all day. Doing so makes you a miserable person.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants a moderate news channel. Extremism sells, for the left and the right.

BBC and PBS are both doing fine. The networks still have nightly national news. Anyone glued to a news station 24/7 doesn't want news, they want entertainment

BBC and PBS are doing fine because of state funds.

The BBC tax in particular is deeply resented these days by everyone except the elite.

Federal funding is only 15% of PBS revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants a moderate news channel. Extremism sells, for the left and the right.

BBC and PBS are both doing fine. The networks still have nightly national news. Anyone glued to a news station 24/7 doesn't want news, they want entertainment

BBC and PBS are doing fine because of state funds.

The BBC tax in particular is deeply resented these days by everyone except the elite.

PBS is only 15% of revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine actually believing CNN is being "moderated."

CNN was corporatist center right before, the new owners are shifting it hard right. There is absolutely nothing moderate about it.

Defining CNN in terms of left and right always seemed to be missing the point of CNN. Fox is clearly a right-wing propaganda network. MSNBC is a pale imitation of Fox, leaning noticeably to the left but lacking the courage of its convictions and giving huge amounts of TV time to a former Republican Congress member in a way that Fox would never do. CNN, on the other hand, was always heartless and tepid content killing time between commercials. The channel only sprang to life when there was a breaking event with significant news value. They were pretty good at getting cameras and coverage to places where a crisis or something dramatic was unfolding. But those are relatively few and far between.

Anyone who makes a comment like this is an MSNBC fan who never watches Fox.
Fox actually gives much more air time to opposing views than MSNBC ever has. MSNBC is full of left wing propaganda.

Anyone who makes a comment like this has no idea what "left wing" actually means.

No, neither MSNBC nor CNN was ever "full of left-wing propaganda." Neither of them supported actual left-wing concepts like collective ownership, UBI, socialized medicine, etc. In fact they both actively propagandize against them.

Remember when CNN gave billions of free airtime to Trump during the 2016 election? Remember when they showed an empty podium instead of the Bernie speech that was happening at the same time? Remember when they put up misleading and outright false graphics and statistics to make it look like Hillary already had the delegates in the bag or that Bernie was polling worse than he actually was? Have you ever seen a segment even mentioning socialized medicine or UBI without the least credible person possible supporting it and an establishment "how are we going to pay for it?!" counterpoint?

MSNBC and CNN are both controlled opposition to the left wing, owned by billionaires to sell ads viewed by left-leaning people (they're gonna watch something, might as well make money off it!) but always making sure to at best tip the scale rightward toward corporatist center-right politicians like Hillary and Biden and at worst subtly favor right-wing candidates and policies when they think they can get away with it.

Anonymous wrote:Yet another billionaire destroying a news platform from within.

Jeff Bezos comes to mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants a moderate news channel. Extremism sells, for the left and the right.

BBC and PBS are both doing fine. The networks still have nightly national news. Anyone glued to a news station 24/7 doesn't want news, they want entertainment

BBC and PBS are doing fine because of state funds.

The BBC tax in particular is deeply resented these days by everyone except the elite.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine actually believing CNN is being "moderated."

CNN was corporatist center right before, the new owners are shifting it hard right. There is absolutely nothing moderate about it.

Defining CNN in terms of left and right always seemed to be missing the point of CNN. Fox is clearly a right-wing propaganda network. MSNBC is a pale imitation of Fox, leaning noticeably to the left but lacking the courage of its convictions and giving huge amounts of TV time to a former Republican Congress member in a way that Fox would never do. CNN, on the other hand, was always heartless and tepid content killing time between commercials. The channel only sprang to life when there was a breaking event with significant news value. They were pretty good at getting cameras and coverage to places where a crisis or something dramatic was unfolding. But those are relatively few and far between.

Anyone who makes a comment like this is an MSNBC fan who never watches Fox.
Fox actually gives much more air time to opposing views than MSNBC ever has. MSNBC is full of left wing propaganda.

Which is probably why Fox outperforms CNN and MSNBC among democrats. When Tucker was on Fox, he drew more democratic viewers than Rachel Maddow. I think people enjoy seeing both extremes at the same time.

OP here. Well, CNN has become ungovernable along with being unwatchable.

They should go into social media. There seems to be an opening there.

Anonymous wrote:What's the Fox equivalent of a former Republican Congressman getting 20 hours of airtime per week?

In any case, the point was that CNN does not belong on the same left/right spectrum as Fox and MSNBC.

+1 plus PP probably puts people like Tulsi Gabbard in the “opposing views” column.

What's the Fox equivalent of a former Republican Congressman getting 20 hours of airtime per week?

In any case, the point was that CNN does not belong on the same left/right spectrum as Fox and MSNBC.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine actually believing CNN is being "moderated."

CNN was corporatist center right before, the new owners are shifting it hard right. There is absolutely nothing moderate about it.

Defining CNN in terms of left and right always seemed to be missing the point of CNN. Fox is clearly a right-wing propaganda network. MSNBC is a pale imitation of Fox, leaning noticeably to the left but lacking the courage of its convictions and giving huge amounts of TV time to a former Republican Congress member in a way that Fox would never do. CNN, on the other hand, was always heartless and tepid content killing time between commercials. The channel only sprang to life when there was a breaking event with significant news value. They were pretty good at getting cameras and coverage to places where a crisis or something dramatic was unfolding. But those are relatively few and far between.

Anyone who makes a comment like this is an MSNBC fan who never watches Fox.
Fox actually gives much more air time to opposing views than MSNBC ever has. MSNBC is full of left wing propaganda.

Anonymous wrote:Imagine actually believing CNN is being "moderated."

CNN was corporatist center right before, the new owners are shifting it hard right. There is absolutely nothing moderate about it.

Defining CNN in terms of left and right always seemed to be missing the point of CNN. Fox is clearly a right-wing propaganda network. MSNBC is a pale imitation of Fox, leaning noticeably to the left but lacking the courage of its convictions and giving huge amounts of TV time to a former Republican Congress member in a way that Fox would never do. CNN, on the other hand, was always heartless and tepid content killing time between commercials. The channel only sprang to life when there was a breaking event with significant news value. They were pretty good at getting cameras and coverage to places where a crisis or something dramatic was unfolding. But those are relatively few and far between.

Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants a moderate news channel. Extremism sells, for the left and the right.

BBC and PBS are both doing fine. The networks still have nightly national news. Anyone glued to a news station 24/7 doesn't want news, they want entertainment