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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

Well, it's essentially true. Maybe you would prefer the term "forced digital inspection."

Nope. Still wrong.

Republican: I'm sure you're not a big reader, but if you can manage it, READ THE F**KING BILL:

https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/hb151/PH/02/hb151_02_PH?format=pdf

If a participant's sex is disputed, the participant shall establish the participant's sex by presenting a signed physician's statement indicating the participant's sex based
upon only the following:

(1) The participant's internal and external reproductive anatomy;

Meanwhile, little kids (and other people) are being slaughtered by freaks with assault rifles, but this is what Republicans focus on.

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

Well, it's essentially true. Maybe you would prefer the term "forced digital inspection."

Nope. Still wrong.

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

Well, it's essentially true. Maybe you would prefer the term "forced digital inspection."

There is zero chance that any girl will undergo a forced digital inspection based on this bill.

How would that scenario even play out? What pediatrician would perform a medically unnecessary invasive exam?

This bill is a bad bill and should be argued against based on its actual effects, which will be to prevent trans kids (including prepubescent trans kids with no physical advantage) from playing on the team they want to play on. This hysteria about digital raping girl athletes is fake news.

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

Well, it's essentially true. Maybe you would prefer the term "forced digital inspection."

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

Well, it's essentially true. Maybe you would prefer the term "forced digital inspection."

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

Maybe that’s the way to win elections. It works for the Rs. They lie constantly.

(FWIW - I haven’t said they are forcing genital exams)

Absolutely republicans do it too. And it creates a culture where the two sides talk past each other about fake moral panics, while unable to come together to have tough conversations about admittedly difficult issues (see also: CRT). I think trans kids in sports is a difficult issue because it places two ideals at odds—inclusion of kids to play in the category they feel most comfortable in, versus fairness to female athletes who have an enormous physical disadvantage against male athletes after puberty. Republican efforts to ban all trans boys from girls sports, including pre-puberty when they have no physical advantage, is cruel. But some liberals’ insistence that trans woman be fully included in all professional women’s sports, even if a physical advantage can be demonstrated or inferred, seems deeply unfair to female athletes who have dedicated their lives to sports. The problem right now is we can’t have a conversation about how to weigh inclusion with fairness/safety if both sides are putting their hands over their ears and yelling “Groomer” or “Transphobe” at the other side.

Example of Ds insisting “that trans women be fully included in all professional women’s sports”?

Is that not the position of the ACLU and other left leaning organizations? Can you imagine a democratic group arguing against full trans woman participation?

ACLU isn’t “left leaning” and “other left leaning organizations” aren’t the Democrats.

On the other hand you literally have elected Republican lawmakers mandating rape of children to satisfy their weirdo beliefs.

You are putting words in my mouth. I said “some liberals’”, not “the democrats”.

Please provide an example of something the ACLU said or did in the last year that is not left leaning.

Also please provide an example of a liberal/left-leaning group arguing against full trans woman participation in womens sports.

Why are you comparing elected Rs who have already *passed legislation* banning transgender athletes to … the ACLU?

No “both sides” here.

Disingenuous.

It's bizarre that you're trying to say that the Dems and all liberals do not say that all trans girls belong in the girls locker room and on the girls team. So strange.

This whole thread is a disaster of lies and misdirection and "But actually!"

Stop it, both of you.

Transgender athletes have never been “banned” from athletics. They’re allowed to compete with other athletes who are the same biological sex. We don’t organize athletics by gender; we organize them by biological sex.

There are liberal Democrats who don’t think trans girls belong in girls’ locker rooms and trans women don’t belong in women’s prisons. I know because I’m one of them.

Do you know who Lia Thomas is?

We do organize athletics by gender - whether we should is a discussion that cannot be had because no one is willing to engage at all.

Sorry, you are late to the party. This topic has been extensively discussed. You’re beating a dead horse.

We will never “agree” because Rs don’t do anything in good faith.

On this thread, very few posters are arguing in good faith. And it's mostly liberals who are posting.

Sorry, you are late to the party. If you had spent any time here you’d realize that 99.9999% of the time it’s the Rs.

Hang around and you’ll see. Or go read any other thread.

I thought we were talking about this thread. And I agree with PP.

No, we are discussing Ds/Rs and conservatives/liberals “coming together to have tough conversations” about transgender topics.

Try to keep up.

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I don’t think that, past puberty, transwomen who went through puberty as males should be playing with women. It’s a ridiculously unfair advantage that peels off a few more spots for elite female athletes.

But this isn’t that. Republicans hate women and Republicans hate transpeople. They’re going after birth control and abortion, bodily autonomy and the basic notion of women as full citizens. They oppose Title IX. In various states they are blocking transpeople’s ability to transition and for parents of minor trans children to even work with doctors. The GOP has a documented problem with pedophilia in its midst.

Here, they are forcing girls to undergo a medical examination of their genitals to prove that they’re “real girls,” and while Republicans are quick to dismiss the notion that it will require an internal examination, I’m not. The GOP hates women. They have no issue with rape of a minor digitally or by an instrument (as was the case with the forced internal ultrasound in Virginia).

So there’s no having a conversation with these people. They just call names, call us “hysterical.” But no one actually believes that regressives care about women or women athletes or bodily autonomy or anything else and I’m appalled at all the dodos who are going along with their faux respectability politics crap and dismissing everyone else who has actually paid attention to what the GOP does.

But republicans are trying to prevent children from transitioning at all and having access to medical care. They’re forcing kids to go through puberty to maintain a gender type they don’t identify as, then saying because they went through puberty and look like the gender they don’t identify as, they should be treated like that gender forever because they look that way and can’t pass for another gender.

And the reverse is true too, that democrats are trying to force children to transition and to prevent puberty and start hormones (which will permanently reduce libido and fertility)/top surgery before 18.

These are opposing positions. Who is right? What is right?

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

Don’t expect anyone to take you seriously when you say ridiculous unfounded crap like this.

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

That’s what you guys designed it to do and that’s what you relentlessly hammer. You want divisions, you want anger and chaos.

Meanwhile, Ohio Republicans have mandated the rape of minor girls. How effed up can you guys be? Do you know how obvious your pedophilia has become in the last few years, or do you still think you’re hiding it well?

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This issue has shown some interesting fissures between the progressive and more moderate wings of the American left.

Girls’ and women’s sports exist for the purpose of giving biological females a meaningful opportunity to compete. Allowing people who were born biologically male to compete in women’s sports will inevitably result in fewer opportunities for women to play and compete.

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

Maybe that’s the way to win elections. It works for the Rs. They lie constantly.

(FWIW - I haven’t said they are forcing genital exams)

Absolutely republicans do it too. And it creates a culture where the two sides talk past each other about fake moral panics, while unable to come together to have tough conversations about admittedly difficult issues (see also: CRT). I think trans kids in sports is a difficult issue because it places two ideals at odds—inclusion of kids to play in the category they feel most comfortable in, versus fairness to female athletes who have an enormous physical disadvantage against male athletes after puberty. Republican efforts to ban all trans boys from girls sports, including pre-puberty when they have no physical advantage, is cruel. But some liberals’ insistence that trans woman be fully included in all professional women’s sports, even if a physical advantage can be demonstrated or inferred, seems deeply unfair to female athletes who have dedicated their lives to sports. The problem right now is we can’t have a conversation about how to weigh inclusion with fairness/safety if both sides are putting their hands over their ears and yelling “Groomer” or “Transphobe” at the other side.

Example of Ds insisting “that trans women be fully included in all professional women’s sports”?

Is that not the position of the ACLU and other left leaning organizations? Can you imagine a democratic group arguing against full trans woman participation?

ACLU isn’t “left leaning” and “other left leaning organizations” aren’t the Democrats.

On the other hand you literally have elected Republican lawmakers mandating rape of children to satisfy their weirdo beliefs.

You are putting words in my mouth. I said “some liberals’”, not “the democrats”.

Please provide an example of something the ACLU said or did in the last year that is not left leaning.

Also please provide an example of a liberal/left-leaning group arguing against full trans woman participation in womens sports.

Why are you comparing elected Rs who have already *passed legislation* banning transgender athletes to … the ACLU?

No “both sides” here.

Disingenuous.

It's bizarre that you're trying to say that the Dems and all liberals do not say that all trans girls belong in the girls locker room and on the girls team. So strange.

This whole thread is a disaster of lies and misdirection and "But actually!"

Stop it, both of you.

Transgender athletes have never been “banned” from athletics. They’re allowed to compete with other athletes who are the same biological sex. We don’t organize athletics by gender; we organize them by biological sex.

There are liberal Democrats who don’t think trans girls belong in girls’ locker rooms and trans women don’t belong in women’s prisons. I know because I’m one of them.

Do you know who Lia Thomas is?

We do organize athletics by gender - whether we should is a discussion that cannot be had because no one is willing to engage at all.

Sorry, you are late to the party. This topic has been extensively discussed. You’re beating a dead horse.

We will never “agree” because Rs don’t do anything in good faith.

On this thread, very few posters are arguing in good faith. And it's mostly liberals who are posting.

Sorry, you are late to the party. If you had spent any time here you’d realize that 99.9999% of the time it’s the Rs.

Hang around and you’ll see. Or go read any other thread.

I thought we were talking about this thread. And I agree with PP.

No, we are discussing Ds/Rs and conservatives/liberals “coming together to have tough conversations” about transgender topics.

Try to keep up.

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I don’t think that, past puberty, transwomen who went through puberty as males should be playing with women. It’s a ridiculously unfair advantage that peels off a few more spots for elite female athletes.

But this isn’t that. Republicans hate women and Republicans hate transpeople. They’re going after birth control and abortion, bodily autonomy and the basic notion of women as full citizens. They oppose Title IX. In various states they are blocking transpeople’s ability to transition and for parents of minor trans children to even work with doctors. The GOP has a documented problem with pedophilia in its midst.

Here, they are forcing girls to undergo a medical examination of their genitals to prove that they’re “real girls,” and while Republicans are quick to dismiss the notion that it will require an internal examination, I’m not. The GOP hates women. They have no issue with rape of a minor digitally or by an instrument (as was the case with the forced internal ultrasound in Virginia).

So there’s no having a conversation with these people. They just call names, call us “hysterical.” But no one actually believes that regressives care about women or women athletes or bodily autonomy or anything else and I’m appalled at all the dodos who are going along with their faux respectability politics crap and dismissing everyone else who has actually paid attention to what the GOP does.

If they hated women, they would be encouraging transgender females in sports as a way to break Title IX. If they really hated women, they wouldn't want women playing sports at all, but I can't remember seeing any conservative/GOP leader arguing against female sports.

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Anonymous wrote:People complain about conservative disinformation but the liberal disinformation on this thread is insane. An internal pelvic exam on a prepubescent girl would be done in the OR under general anaesthesia—so don’t worry, it’s not something your pediatrician is going to be doing at the office so your kid can play volleyball.

For those crowing about why don’t boys get genital exams to play sports—A hernia check is a pretty standard part of a boys sports physical so they already do.

To comply with this law, the pediatrician would just have to glance at the notes from your kids last well child visit where they most likely commented on the genitalia, then sign the damn form. For children who have ambiguous genitalia, then more investigation (e.g. an ultrasound and labs) is medically indicated so has most likely already been done. This bill would only present a hurdle to participation among kids who want to play on a team that doesn’t align with their biologic sex.

Or, alternatively you can just let kids play sports and their families cheer them on and stop bullying them. Seems easier than the Rube Goldberg machine you just described. Do you even hear yourself?

What Rube Goldberg machine? I was simply countering the disinformation in this thread’s title that girls are going to have forced internal pelvic exams in order to play sports. Realistically, the only kids that will be affected by this bill are trans kids and a very small number of kids with disorders of sexual development.

For the record I am opposed to this bill. I think trans kids participation in sports is a complex issue that requires nuance, which bills like this obviously don’t allow for. But I also think it is totally disingenuous and counter-productive for liberals to spread mass hysteria that this bill is going to force girls to have unnecessary genital exams, which it definitely will not.

Maybe that’s the way to win elections. It works for the Rs. They lie constantly.

(FWIW - I haven’t said they are forcing genital exams)

Absolutely republicans do it too. And it creates a culture where the two sides talk past each other about fake moral panics, while unable to come together to have tough conversations about admittedly difficult issues (see also: CRT). I think trans kids in sports is a difficult issue because it places two ideals at odds—inclusion of kids to play in the category they feel most comfortable in, versus fairness to female athletes who have an enormous physical disadvantage against male athletes after puberty. Republican efforts to ban all trans boys from girls sports, including pre-puberty when they have no physical advantage, is cruel. But some liberals’ insistence that trans woman be fully included in all professional women’s sports, even if a physical advantage can be demonstrated or inferred, seems deeply unfair to female athletes who have dedicated their lives to sports. The problem right now is we can’t have a conversation about how to weigh inclusion with fairness/safety if both sides are putting their hands over their ears and yelling “Groomer” or “Transphobe” at the other side.

Example of Ds insisting “that trans women be fully included in all professional women’s sports”?

Is that not the position of the ACLU and other left leaning organizations? Can you imagine a democratic group arguing against full trans woman participation?

ACLU isn’t “left leaning” and “other left leaning organizations” aren’t the Democrats.

On the other hand you literally have elected Republican lawmakers mandating rape of children to satisfy their weirdo beliefs.

You are putting words in my mouth. I said “some liberals’”, not “the democrats”.

Please provide an example of something the ACLU said or did in the last year that is not left leaning.

Also please provide an example of a liberal/left-leaning group arguing against full trans woman participation in womens sports.

Why are you comparing elected Rs who have already *passed legislation* banning transgender athletes to … the ACLU?

No “both sides” here.

Disingenuous.

It's bizarre that you're trying to say that the Dems and all liberals do not say that all trans girls belong in the girls locker room and on the girls team. So strange.

This whole thread is a disaster of lies and misdirection and "But actually!"

Stop it, both of you.

Transgender athletes have never been “banned” from athletics. They’re allowed to compete with other athletes who are the same biological sex. We don’t organize athletics by gender; we organize them by biological sex.

There are liberal Democrats who don’t think trans girls belong in girls’ locker rooms and trans women don’t belong in women’s prisons. I know because I’m one of them.

Do you know who Lia Thomas is?

We do organize athletics by gender - whether we should is a discussion that cannot be had because no one is willing to engage at all.

Sorry, you are late to the party. This topic has been extensively discussed. You’re beating a dead horse.

We will never “agree” because Rs don’t do anything in good faith.

On this thread, very few posters are arguing in good faith. And it's mostly liberals who are posting.

Sorry, you are late to the party. If you had spent any time here you’d realize that 99.9999% of the time it’s the Rs.

Hang around and you’ll see. Or go read any other thread.

I thought we were talking about this thread. And I agree with PP.

No, we are discussing Ds/Rs and conservatives/liberals “coming together to have tough conversations” about transgender topics.

Try to keep up.

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I don’t think that, past puberty, transwomen who went through puberty as males should be playing with women. It’s a ridiculously unfair advantage that peels off a few more spots for elite female athletes.

But this isn’t that. Republicans hate women and Republicans hate transpeople. They’re going after birth control and abortion, bodily autonomy and the basic notion of women as full citizens. They oppose Title IX. In various states they are blocking transpeople’s ability to transition and for parents of minor trans children to even work with doctors. The GOP has a documented problem with pedophilia in its midst.

Here, they are forcing girls to undergo a medical examination of their genitals to prove that they’re “real girls,” and while Republicans are quick to dismiss the notion that it will require an internal examination, I’m not. The GOP hates women. They have no issue with rape of a minor digitally or by an instrument (as was the case with the forced internal ultrasound in Virginia).

So there’s no having a conversation with these people. They just call names, call us “hysterical.” But no one actually believes that regressives care about women or women athletes or bodily autonomy or anything else and I’m appalled at all the dodos who are going along with their faux respectability politics crap and dismissing everyone else who has actually paid attention to what the GOP does.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/06/jim-jordan-harassment-ohio-state-wrestling-699192

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/referee-says-he-told-rep-jim-jordan-ohio-state-doctor-n1078476

https://www.esquire.com/sports/a35120040/richard-strauss-ohio-state-wrestling-sexual-abuse/

No Oberlin or Kenyon for your kids then

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/06/jim-jordan-harassment-ohio-state-wrestling-699192

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/referee-says-he-told-rep-jim-jordan-ohio-state-doctor-n1078476

https://www.esquire.com/sports/a35120040/richard-strauss-ohio-state-wrestling-sexual-abuse/

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I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

The word “examination” isn’t used. It’s “ The participant’s internal and external reproductive anatomy.” I don’t believe a pelvic exam is required. You just get your pediatrician to sign a note stating which kind of anatomy your kid has. Should others be able to force you to do that? No, of course not. A birth certificate should suffice. However, I don’t believe pediatricians are going to perform pelvic exams due to this bill.

Look at the amount of excuses you have to make to excuse your party’s pedophilia - under the guise of “protecting women athletes,” of course. Republicans truly are the Gross Old Perverts.

I’m still waiting to see how PP thinks internal female anatomy is verified without a pelvic exam.

NP. I take it you don't have children, or have never taken your children to the pediatrician for a well-child appointment. Are you childless? Or just not the default parent?

Seriously, if a child has female anatomy externally without having had any surgical procedures to alter their genitalia, and there’s never been any reason to think that their internal anatomy doesn’t match their external anatomy, their physician will just sign the form and that’s the end of it. This bill shouldn’t exist, it encourages harassment, and I don’t support it — but I also don’t believe it requires internal exams.

I can’t imagine this bill will withstand any scrutiny by the courts. It places a disproportionate burden on people who want to compete on girls’ sports teams.

THEN HAVE THEM REWRITE SO DOCTORS ARE NOT CERTIFYING INTERNAL SEX ORGANS.

Also, how do you deal with Intersex, Turners Syndrome, etc.a. At least 2% of Americans have genitalia that do not match genetic sex, ambiguous genitalia, etc.

Nope, that number is .018%, not 2%. More than 100 times less. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/