Anonymous wrote:I agree. Except, this is why Mass Ave
Heights, Woodley Park are the best places to invest — there will never be planes flying over the Naval Observatory

This is such BS, the planes fly over the National mall and close to the White house. There is a flight path right over the CIA headquarters in Mclean. Please. Don't pat yourself on the back thinking you will forever be immune from airplane noise. Things change.

Anonymous wrote:Much of DC is a no fly zone. No reason to buy a house in Palisades, Foxhall or Kent. In CA, people worry about sending kids to schools under a flight path for a few hours a day, and in DC we are calling people telling the truth crazy and hypersensitive.

Most of the sky over the entire DC metro is literally crisscrossed by air-jet fuel trails on partially cloudy days. IDK what you are talking about. I can be in Dupont and see the sky with flight trails remnants and then be in Arlington and see the same, and then drive to MoCo and see the same.

I agree. Except, this is why Mass Ave
Heights, Woodley Park are the best places to invest — there will never be planes flying over the Naval Observatory

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.

Dispersing flights would make the airspace unnecessarily more hazardous and chaotic. The skies are already congested. Concentrating flight patterns isn't about screwing certain neighborhoods on the ground; it's all about keeping the flying public safe.

As others have said, places like the Palisades have dealt with airplane noise from DCA for decades. This isn't a new issue. Frankly, I have no sympathy for whiners who knew (or chose to ignore) that they were buying into a neighborhood that sits either adjacent to or underneath flight paths.

I would love to know who the two single people with the tens of thousands of complaints are. They do seem representative of Palisades as a whole though...buy in a flight path THEN try to change it. They think the FAA would have dozens of different flight paths throughout the day because they made a bad decision is the answer. I wonder if anybody knows just how dangerous landing at DCA already is? Adding an array of takeoffs and approaches would be sheer chaos.

You are ignoring the fact that there was a change in 2015 that significantly affected noise levels in that area that was implemented without any real public input. Those who bought prior to that can be rightfully upset in my opinion. An "unsuspecting buyer" who purchases now after a 15 minute viewing while someone is going around with a leaf blower in the yard has only themselves to blame. All the info about the flightpaths is public and anyone can spend some time in the neighborhood to figure out whether the noise is an issue for them.

Looking at the graphic of pre and post 2015, seems the change was outside of the DC line and Palisades was where planes have always flown. Before 2015, it was more dispersed over MoCo but still centralized over the Potomac adjacent to DC.

Flight paths change, they did and they will continue changing. It's messed up to have to blame buyers for not anticipating that one day they may end up under a "highway in the sky" where planes will fly every minute over the homes in their neighborhood. Areas that are far removed from the airports and even miles inland from the Potomac still have airline noise even if planes fly high up. It's still noisy if there is a plane flying overhead every minute one af

I think they are starting to do some better planning and using different paths on different days. But since this seems to be changing, those of you so smug to have done your research to not be under a flight path today may be under a flight path tomorrow. There is literally nothing that will ensure you won't. You can be many miles from an airport and all the way inland and still get high flying planes in a "bee-line" over your area.

This is amazing:
https://www.brusselstimes.com/224012/400-families-challenge-federal-government-over-brussels-flightpath

How did DC lose their lawsuit?

Much of DC is a no fly zone. No reason to buy a house in Palisades, Foxhall or Kent. In CA, people worry about sending kids to schools under a flight path for a few hours a day, and in DC we are calling people telling the truth crazy and hypersensitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Great point. It’s not just the noise. It’s the particulates, especially the very small ones that have recently been found to be terribly dangerous (it’s better to stand in the middle of the highway whole day long than live under a flight path lots of research at UWA, Europe etc)

Chemtrails!

haha, if that's true, then we are all done for. The whole sky over the entire DC metro is crisscrossed with air jet trails almost every single day. We have 2 major airports here and it "shows" literally in the cloud patterns.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.

Dispersing flights would make the airspace unnecessarily more hazardous and chaotic. The skies are already congested. Concentrating flight patterns isn't about screwing certain neighborhoods on the ground; it's all about keeping the flying public safe.

As others have said, places like the Palisades have dealt with airplane noise from DCA for decades. This isn't a new issue. Frankly, I have no sympathy for whiners who knew (or chose to ignore) that they were buying into a neighborhood that sits either adjacent to or underneath flight paths.

And the people on the ground!

Palisades gaslighters. Went to the same finishing school as the Death.. sorry, Spring Valley home owners. Nothing to see here, buyers…

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It's not. It's just full of more entitled people.

Just stop. You have never set foot in the Palisades. More entitled people than in Old Town. Lol.

Just stop with the gaslighting. And calling people weak for not enduring absurd levels of noise and near certain chronic disease.
What I think should happen is the next generation suing the parents who were so blasé about living under a flight path. Kids don’t get to choose but are affected.

Palisades agents are the worst. It’s nothing. Have a drink… ugh

I think all this anger is much worse for your health than the noise. Just move if it bothers you so much. You will find a buyer for your house. Dont worry.

Moved in 2016. Not angry. Shocked

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.

Dispersing flights would make the airspace unnecessarily more hazardous and chaotic. The skies are already congested. Concentrating flight patterns isn't about screwing certain neighborhoods on the ground; it's all about keeping the flying public safe.

As others have said, places like the Palisades have dealt with airplane noise from DCA for decades. This isn't a new issue. Frankly, I have no sympathy for whiners who knew (or chose to ignore) that they were buying into a neighborhood that sits either adjacent to or underneath flight paths.

I would love to know who the two single people with the tens of thousands of complaints are. They do seem representative of Palisades as a whole though...buy in a flight path THEN try to change it. They think the FAA would have dozens of different flight paths throughout the day because they made a bad decision is the answer. I wonder if anybody knows just how dangerous landing at DCA already is? Adding an array of takeoffs and approaches would be sheer chaos.

You are ignoring the fact that there was a change in 2015 that significantly affected noise levels in that area that was implemented without any real public input. Those who bought prior to that can be rightfully upset in my opinion. An "unsuspecting buyer" who purchases now after a 15 minute viewing while someone is going around with a leaf blower in the yard has only themselves to blame. All the info about the flightpaths is public and anyone can spend some time in the neighborhood to figure out whether the noise is an issue for them.

Looking at the graphic of pre and post 2015, seems the change was outside of the DC line and Palisades was where planes have always flown. Before 2015, it was more dispersed over MoCo but still centralized over the Potomac adjacent to DC.

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It's not. It's just full of more entitled people.

Just stop. You have never set foot in the Palisades. More entitled people than in Old Town. Lol.

Just stop with the gaslighting. And calling people weak for not enduring absurd levels of noise and near certain chronic disease.
What I think should happen is the next generation suing the parents who were so blasé about living under a flight path. Kids don’t get to choose but are affected.

Palisades agents are the worst. It’s nothing. Have a drink… ugh

I think all this anger is much worse for your health than the noise. Just move if it bothers you so much. You will find a buyer for your house. Dont worry.