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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.

Still irrelevant

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.

No. I’m simply stating that isn’t not wrong for OP to offer breast and bottle to encourage the baby to nurse or use a bottle. This is what you’re supposed to do.

FYI - both of my kids were bottle fed after 6 months.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried a supplemental nursing system? I used this to allow me/my baby to learn to nurse (got easier as he got a bit bigger) without giving him a bottle. It's a pain to set up at first but it gives your baby nutrients while he figures the nursing thing out.

OP here. We ordered one and it should come in next week.

NP/DP, but if you have an IBCLC, they can set you you with a paediatric NG tube to get you started. It will work fine in a pinch, which it sounds like you’re in.

Has your baby been assessed for tongue and lip ties?

OP here. I would rather syringe feed since his weight is fine than go feeding tube route. That’s more of a last choice if his weight is an issue.

He has been looked at for both and the lactation consultant said he didn’t have it. Same with the pediatrician.

The lactation consultant said she is at a loss of what to do because most babies will at least use a nipple shield while learning to latch or take a bottle. She told us to keep trying and offering all options until he gets older and takes it.

I would make an appointment with another LC (I love Ann Faust in HoCo), a pediatric dentist that specializes in ties, and a osteopath/cranial https://myosteopathy.com/our-team

You need a multi approach at this point. Get another eval on lip and tongue tie. It sounds like he doesnt like anything going in his mouth which could mean opening, swallowing, etc are either painful or uncomfortable.

OP here. He does breastfeed but just doesn’t take a lot out. He will shallow suckle most of the time while he comfort nurses. He will suck the syringe. He takes a pacifier and sucks on without any issues.

The issue is he can’t get a proper latch because of small flat nipples. We tried to fix that with a nipple shield but I don’t think he likes the feel of it. Same with the bottle.

We will be looking into all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried a supplemental nursing system? I used this to allow me/my baby to learn to nurse (got easier as he got a bit bigger) without giving him a bottle. It's a pain to set up at first but it gives your baby nutrients while he figures the nursing thing out.

OP here. We ordered one and it should come in next week.

NP/DP, but if you have an IBCLC, they can set you you with a paediatric NG tube to get you started. It will work fine in a pinch, which it sounds like you’re in.

Has your baby been assessed for tongue and lip ties?

OP here. I would rather syringe feed since his weight is fine than go feeding tube route. That’s more of a last choice if his weight is an issue.

He has been looked at for both and the lactation consultant said he didn’t have it. Same with the pediatrician.

The lactation consultant said she is at a loss of what to do because most babies will at least use a nipple shield while learning to latch or take a bottle. She told us to keep trying and offering all options until he gets older and takes it.

I would make an appointment with another LC (I love Ann Faust in HoCo), a pediatric dentist that specializes in ties, and a osteopath/cranial https://myosteopathy.com/our-team

You need a multi approach at this point. Get another eval on lip and tongue tie. It sounds like he doesnt like anything going in his mouth which could mean opening, swallowing, etc are either painful or uncomfortable.

OP here. He does breastfeed but just doesn’t take a lot out. He will shallow suckle most of the time while he comfort nurses. He will suck the syringe. He takes a pacifier and sucks on without any issues.

The issue is he can’t get a proper latch because of small flat nipples. We tried to fix that with a nipple shield but I don’t think he likes the feel of it. Same with the bottle.

We will be looking into all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried a supplemental nursing system? I used this to allow me/my baby to learn to nurse (got easier as he got a bit bigger) without giving him a bottle. It's a pain to set up at first but it gives your baby nutrients while he figures the nursing thing out.

OP here. We ordered one and it should come in next week.

NP/DP, but if you have an IBCLC, they can set you you with a paediatric NG tube to get you started. It will work fine in a pinch, which it sounds like you’re in.

Has your baby been assessed for tongue and lip ties?

OP here. I would rather syringe feed since his weight is fine than go feeding tube route. That’s more of a last choice if his weight is an issue.

He has been looked at for both and the lactation consultant said he didn’t have it. Same with the pediatrician.

The lactation consultant said she is at a loss of what to do because most babies will at least use a nipple shield while learning to latch or take a bottle. She told us to keep trying and offering all options until he gets older and takes it.

I would make an appointment with another LC (I love Ann Faust in HoCo), a pediatric dentist that specializes in ties, and a osteopath/cranial https://myosteopathy.com/our-team

You need a multi approach at this point. Get another eval on lip and tongue tie. It sounds like he doesnt like anything going in his mouth which could mean opening, swallowing, etc are either painful or uncomfortable.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I was told by the lactation consultant and the pediatrician to continue to syringe feed but offer the breast and bottle. We see the pediatrician next week, but I have talked on the phone with him earlier this week and that’s what he suggested I do.

I bought 5 more bottles - Comotomo, Nanobebe, Tommee Tippee silicone, Mam, and Munchkin to try. I will continue to try others if none of these work. I also ordered a SNS that can be used on the breast and bottle.

I do want to breastfeed and give him breast milk since it’s the best choice. We are in a formula shortage and I do not want to be worried about formula. I make 32oz a day for the last week. I want to try to get him to breastfeed or take a bottle and take pumped milk. I would be more willing with formula and I’m open to formula if the pediatrician says to supplement, but I don’t want to do that if we don’t have to.

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OP here. We ordered one and it should come in next week.

NP/DP, but if you have an IBCLC, they can set you you with a paediatric NG tube to get you started. It will work fine in a pinch, which it sounds like you’re in.

Has your baby been assessed for tongue and lip ties?

OP here. I would rather syringe feed since his weight is fine than go feeding tube route. That’s more of a last choice if his weight is an issue.

He has been looked at for both and the lactation consultant said he didn’t have it. Same with the pediatrician.

The lactation consultant said she is at a loss of what to do because most babies will at least use a nipple shield while learning to latch or take a bottle. She told us to keep trying and offering all options until he gets older and takes it.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

Will you just stop? OP knows her baby best and has made it clear she trust the advice of trained medical professionals over you. She doesn’t care what you think is right or what she should do.

OP posted for advice on an advice board because she is not getting answers from medical professionals. Sounds like you have some kind of agenda, but I’m not sure what it is …

How would you improve latch with small flat nipples? In a newborn.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

Will you just stop? OP knows her baby best and has made it clear she trust the advice of trained medical professionals over you. She doesn’t care what you think is right or what she should do.

OP posted for advice on an advice board because she is not getting answers from medical professionals. Sounds like you have some kind of agenda, but I’m not sure what it is …