Anonymous wrote:Quick aside: why does Midge still owe Moishe money? I thought Joel cut Susie a secret check to be given to Midge, so she could pay Moishe, and she wouldn’t have to discover Susie lost her earnings.

Down payment. She used her contract as collateral for the down payment and proof of reliable future earnings. Susie was still supposed to be holding all of midges savings, so when Joel covered for her, it went straight to Moishes pocket. Midge still owed him payments on the apartment like and lender for the balance. Because he’s a good guy, it’s implied that he’s not changing her interest and is being very flexible with her payments.

Quick aside: why does Midge still owe Moishe money? I thought Joel cut Susie a secret check to be given to Midge, so she could pay Moishe, and she wouldn’t have to discover Susie lost her earnings.

You all are tough. My husband and I watch it and crack up - it’s our fave.

Anonymous wrote:Also not a fan. She did something horrible and seems to have no sense of responsibility for it. But that's a pattern with her, unfortunately.

She outed someone in the 60s. She put him at serious risk. She's not whittled to kee0 her job under those circumstances.

Patience, young one. Épisode 4 will have her apologizing.

I love Suzie. I identify with her, even though I look or act nothing like her. But she personifies the person who just does not fit in; she's crawling with "I don't fit in." So people like me, who do fit in as far as anyone else is concerned, but to themselves feel like outsiders, can relate to her.

I'm going to have to look up the story of the real Lenny Bruce. I think this last episode's bathroom scene foreshadows a tragic figure, and that's going to bum me out.

Anonymous wrote:I truly hated this season. Nothing happened. Midge is back where she was in season one.

And all the Gilmore Girl actors are distracting. Poor Emily Gilmore - she looks like death!

Huh. I never watched Gilmore Girls so no distraction for me, didn't even catch the fact!
I think part of the point of this season was that Midge was back where she was in season one. She blew the Shy Baldwin gig and yeah, that puts her back where she was, only worse, thanks to her determination not to take any opening act gigs . The season didn't take her into the stratosphere of pro comedy, nor did it show her learning a lesson after Shy, until that final scene where Lenny tells her how she's screwed up, and she doesn't suffer much (still has her apartment etc.). So I guess you could say "nothing happened" but I found plenty to enjoy with the other characters. I can't leave Susie, Abe and Rose behind now.

I truly hated this season. Nothing happened. Midge is back where she was in season one.

And all the Gilmore Girl actors are distracting. Poor Emily Gilmore - she looks like death!

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Anonymous wrote:They featured Suzie so much in this season that I was starting to think that she was cheaper by the hour.

I love Suzie and her evolution.

DP. Agree. The funeral speech was the start of Susie 2.0, patron saint of the ignored and the weird, and I'm great with that. Dinah the secretary who seems slack but is actually great at her job. The diner comic. Alfie the magician (I like the idea that Susie and we are not quite sure if maybe he's actually magical?). And so on. I think some fans want things to stay as they were in the first two seasons where Susie was 100 percent focused on Midge and they were a double act, so to speak, but even in a fantastical world like this show's world, characters need to move on and change a little. I hope we see Susie really triumph by the series' end. One more season to go now.

Same same same. What do you think of the mobsters? I think they're angels on her shoulder, not devils. I hope. I worried otherwise when they were giving Midge a hard time for turning down Tony Bennet - like any second they were going to tell her she had no choice but to do the show. But they were so gentle with her that it made me relax a bit about Suzie being in business with them. All the same - they're mobsters. It can't all be easy street with them?

You and I are on the same page! My DH and I really want to know if the mini-mafiosos are going to put the screws on Susie for money at some point. I hope not. Or maybe they'll quirkily decide they too know how to spot talent so they start bringing Susie acts....I hope, like you, that they're angels on her shoulder. Hoping that storyline gets a good, and funny, resolution in the final season. I just want Susie's faith in the oddest, unlikeliest acts to have a great ending.

I am the PP - and me too! I want her to be the patron saint of talented weirdos. I'd love if the mini-mafioso - I love that! - helped her spot some talent.

I’m so angry at Midge for being so ridiculously stupid. I hated how the season ended and hated that she truly is just a shallow, self-centered spoiled rich girl. The insult to Lenny, the injury to her manager…it’s irredeemable. What a flake.

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Anonymous wrote:They featured Suzie so much in this season that I was starting to think that she was cheaper by the hour.

I love Suzie and her evolution.

DP. Agree. The funeral speech was the start of Susie 2.0, patron saint of the ignored and the weird, and I'm great with that. Dinah the secretary who seems slack but is actually great at her job. The diner comic. Alfie the magician (I like the idea that Susie and we are not quite sure if maybe he's actually magical?). And so on. I think some fans want things to stay as they were in the first two seasons where Susie was 100 percent focused on Midge and they were a double act, so to speak, but even in a fantastical world like this show's world, characters need to move on and change a little. I hope we see Susie really triumph by the series' end. One more season to go now.

Same same same. What do you think of the mobsters? I think they're angels on her shoulder, not devils. I hope. I worried otherwise when they were giving Midge a hard time for turning down Tony Bennet - like any second they were going to tell her she had no choice but to do the show. But they were so gentle with her that it made me relax a bit about Suzie being in business with them. All the same - they're mobsters. It can't all be easy street with them?

You and I are on the same page! My DH and I really want to know if the mini-mafiosos are going to put the screws on Susie for money at some point. I hope not. Or maybe they'll quirkily decide they too know how to spot talent so they start bringing Susie acts....I hope, like you, that they're angels on her shoulder. Hoping that storyline gets a good, and funny, resolution in the final season. I just want Susie's faith in the oddest, unlikeliest acts to have a great ending.

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Anonymous wrote:They featured Suzie so much in this season that I was starting to think that she was cheaper by the hour.

I love Suzie and her evolution.

DP. Agree. The funeral speech was the start of Susie 2.0, patron saint of the ignored and the weird, and I'm great with that. Dinah the secretary who seems slack but is actually great at her job. The diner comic. Alfie the magician (I like the idea that Susie and we are not quite sure if maybe he's actually magical?). And so on. I think some fans want things to stay as they were in the first two seasons where Susie was 100 percent focused on Midge and they were a double act, so to speak, but even in a fantastical world like this show's world, characters need to move on and change a little. I hope we see Susie really triumph by the series' end. One more season to go now.

Same same same. What do you think of the mobsters? I think they're angels on her shoulder, not devils. I hope. I worried otherwise when they were giving Midge a hard time for turning down Tony Bennet - like any second they were going to tell her she had no choice but to do the show. But they were so gentle with her that it made me relax a bit about Suzie being in business with them. All the same - they're mobsters. It can't all be easy street with them?

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Anonymous wrote:They featured Suzie so much in this season that I was starting to think that she was cheaper by the hour.

I love Suzie and her evolution.

DP. Agree. The funeral speech was the start of Susie 2.0, patron saint of the ignored and the weird, and I'm great with that. Dinah the secretary who seems slack but is actually great at her job. The diner comic. Alfie the magician (I like the idea that Susie and we are not quite sure if maybe he's actually magical?). And so on. I think some fans want things to stay as they were in the first two seasons where Susie was 100 percent focused on Midge and they were a double act, so to speak, but even in a fantastical world like this show's world, characters need to move on and change a little. I hope we see Susie really triumph by the series' end. One more season to go now.

Anonymous wrote:They featured Suzie so much in this season that I was starting to think that she was cheaper by the hour.

I love Suzie and her evolution.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree it was all mostly terrible, but I liked Lenny Bruce's speech to Midge on stage at Carnegie Hall.

Although, Midge saying no opening acts to the extent that she will turn down opening for Tony Bennett is just so absurd. Just beyond spoiled and entitled, you have to hate the character at that point.

I think we're supposed to realize - when Midge realizes - that her turning this down is because she's still so shocked and battered by what happened with Shy Baldwin. That really threw her, and this whole season she's been sort of in denial about what happened - but has been making terrible choices because of it. Lenny's speech is supposed to force her to face what happened, and actually move on in a smart way.

DP. The bold is an excellent point and what I thought too. This past season was in many ways about the fallout from being ditched by Shy. She puts up a wall and says she will not do any opening acts, and though my DH and I sat there saying, "Tony freaking Bennett! A gig good enough for Lenny Bruce to have considered isn't good enough for Midge?!" but then we realized, she's scared of being burned AND she does not have to do her comedy to keep a roof over her head (Moishe isn't going to throw her and the kids and Abe and Rose out, no matter how much he goes on about Midge's payments on the flat). She doens't realize how spoiled she is. But Lenny's speec in the last episode makes her realize she also hasn't understood him or his comedy, or comedy as a career, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all are crazy! The strip club performances were so great.

What was great about them?

To be clear I’m referring to the strippers and their performances. What was great? The inventiveness of their props, variety of body sizes, the physicality of their routines. And who doesn’t love pasties?!

My favorite was the woman in the bathtub.

The big stripper performance in the finale with the different “apartments” was cool. It was like Broadway level strip show.

Totally agree with all this about the strippers!

NP and +1. I think some viewers posting here missed the bigger point of the running storyline that Midge was treating the illegal strip club like a real, proper theater and that ended up benefiting the strippers themselves. In her usual steamroller way, was demanding changes that were all positive (men have to knock on the dressing room door; actually rehearse the strip numbers; get a real seamstress etc.). The gradual change of the manager Boycie was funny and kind of sweet as he went from mad with her meddling to caring about the flower arrangements ("The peonies overwhelm the bluebells, don't they.") And the idea that the club audience shifted from all men to mostly women, because of Midge's comedy and the more professional shows (I think...?) was cool.