Anonymous wrote:Holy moly people, you’d sacrifice children who are too young to be vaxxed and vulnerable populations just so you don’t have to disrupt your life by getting vaccinated? Haven’t our kids suffered enough?

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DP. The unvaccinated pose a very meaningful risk to society as a whole. But it is fashionable now to forget that anyone has any civic duty to society as a whole.

The unvaccinated are the ones who fill up hospital beds, end up seriously ill, or die. I guess you'd say, well, that's on them; their serious illnesses, hospital stays and deaths (or long Covid) don't hurt me as a vaccinated person so why do I care? I care because the unvaccinated still put many people at risk: Children who can't be vaccinated yet, people of all ages who can't be vaccinated, people who are vaccinated but for whom even a "mild" case of Covid could end up being devastating. But there's zero concern at this point for those vulnerable people and an attitude of "Let them stay home forever, then, so the rest of us can Go On Living!" Nope, those people are not part of society, apparently.

At the end of the day, it seems like this comes down to some desire to punish people for making a "bad" decision. So, it's not about public health policy, but rather its some sort of moral judgment.

And, again, the vaccines (unfortunately) don't end transmission. So, the at-risk people will remain at-risk even if everyone else is vaccinated. These mandates are futile.

We need to accept, as a society, that some percentage of Americans won't get vaccinated no matter what we do, and plan for the future accordingly. Part of that will be accepting that people will keep dying from covid forever.

I think many of us do want to punish those refusing to act in the best interest of society. To act so smug and cavalier without fearing consequences is not right.
It’s also about equity. If my family must comply with vaccinations, boosters, masking, inconvenience, and constant fear, well guess what. So does yours. To give that type a pass will only lead to more distrust and dangerous individualism.

Anonymous wrote:This feels so unfair. So unvaccinated adults can swan around unmasked in restaurants and bars, but my fully vaxxed kids have to continue wearing their masks for 8 hours a day in school. Drop the school mask mandate before dropping the vax mandate.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

The unvaccinated don't pose a significant risk to the vaccinated because even if an unvaccinated person were to infect a vaccinated person, the vaccinated person would be at a very low risk of a serious illness. On the other hand, an unvaccinated person who gets infected is more at risk of severe illness.

The idea that the vaccine mandate somehow protects the vaccinated is asinine. The unvaccinated don't pose any meaningful risk to the vaccinated.

DP. The unvaccinated pose a very meaningful risk to society as a whole. But it is fashionable now to forget that anyone has any civic duty to society as a whole.

The unvaccinated are the ones who fill up hospital beds, end up seriously ill, or die. I guess you'd say, well, that's on them; their serious illnesses, hospital stays and deaths (or long Covid) don't hurt me as a vaccinated person so why do I care? I care because the unvaccinated still put many people at risk: Children who can't be vaccinated yet, people of all ages who can't be vaccinated, people who are vaccinated but for whom even a "mild" case of Covid could end up being devastating. But there's zero concern at this point for those vulnerable people and an attitude of "Let them stay home forever, then, so the rest of us can Go On Living!" Nope, those people are not part of society, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:I think one reason the vaccine mandate was dropped is that from a constitutional perspective, it is unlikely to withstand a legal challenge. This is especially true if case rates have dropped. This isn't a right/left thing or even a "follow the science" thing. It is just very hard to mandate a medical intervention on adults without compelling public health justification. During the height of the omicron surge you MAYBE would have had this (but opposition would have pointed to low death rates and the fact that vaccinate people were also catching and spreading the virus, though not as readily as the unvaccinated), but by March of 2022, it would be virtually impossible to defend a vaccine mandate against a legal challenge.

I was explaining this to my DH and his first response was "but we mandate vaccines in schools" and I know some of you will say the same. This is different because children have more limited rights in schools than adults do. Schools can do a lot of things that would normally violate fundamental rights to things like free speech, against unlawful search and seizure, or freedom of movement. The case law on constitutional rights is very different for kids and particularly different in public schools.

I could see Bowser looking a the cases plummeting, the low rates of covid+ people in hospitals, and the very low death rate related to covid, and being told by legal advisors that there is no longer a strong case for the vaccine. It feels premature, but when I look at this as it would be presented in court case, it's actually somewhat remarkable they ever tried it. And it gets less viable every day.

Same here. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a legal challenge to the DC mandates, which is surprising.

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DP. The unvaccinated pose a very meaningful risk to society as a whole. But it is fashionable now to forget that anyone has any civic duty to society as a whole.

The unvaccinated are the ones who fill up hospital beds, end up seriously ill, or die. I guess you'd say, well, that's on them; their serious illnesses, hospital stays and deaths (or long Covid) don't hurt me as a vaccinated person so why do I care? I care because the unvaccinated still put many people at risk: Children who can't be vaccinated yet, people of all ages who can't be vaccinated, people who are vaccinated but for whom even a "mild" case of Covid could end up being devastating. But there's zero concern at this point for those vulnerable people and an attitude of "Let them stay home forever, then, so the rest of us can Go On Living!" Nope, those people are not part of society, apparently.

At the end of the day, it seems like this comes down to some desire to punish people for making a "bad" decision. So, it's not about public health policy, but rather its some sort of moral judgment.

And, again, the vaccines (unfortunately) don't end transmission. So, the at-risk people will remain at-risk even if everyone else is vaccinated. These mandates are futile.

We need to accept, as a society, that some percentage of Americans won't get vaccinated no matter what we do, and plan for the future accordingly. Part of that will be accepting that people will keep dying from covid forever.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

No, I'm saying that their lives are equal, the 30 year old should have gotten vaccinated, and that the 90 year old was already towards the end of their life anyway, and in a fragile state to begin with. All of these things can be true at the same time.

They actually weren’t fragile. But since they were at the end of their lives, who cares??

90 years old = fragile by default. Perhaps you need therapy for your anger stage of grief, or an understanding of basic human biology.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

No, I'm saying that their lives are equal, the 30 year old should have gotten vaccinated, and that the 90 year old was already towards the end of their life anyway, and in a fragile state to begin with. All of these things can be true at the same time.

They actually weren’t fragile. But since they were at the end of their lives, who cares??

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

No, I'm saying that their lives are equal, the 30 year old should have gotten vaccinated, and that the 90 year old was already towards the end of their life anyway, and in a fragile state to begin with. All of these things can be true at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

He died. You’re saying that the 30 year old choice not to vaccinate is more important that the 90 yos life? WTF is wrong with you?

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It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

So then you're the reason that small businesses suffer - you wouldn't eat in a restaurant when there was a vaccine mandate that they were legally required to adhere to? This wasn't a choice made by individual restaurants - though now it will be - it was a decision made by the city.

DP. I feel bad for the restaurants, sure. But, I'm not going to patronize them if I find the jurisdiction's laws offensive.

Would you go to a restaurant in a city where the laws required a certain ethnic or racial group to sit only in the basement room and use separate restrooms?

Oh come on. Race and ethnicity are not a choice. Choosing not to get a vaccine IS a choice.

We all draw our lines at different places.

Okay, then. Religion is a choice. Based on your post, I assume you'd be okay with a city ordinance that required a specific religious group to eat outside and only use a port-o-potty at restaurants?

Nope. Most people are born into a religion. Those who discriminate against them don’t care if they choose to be religious or not. You’re really comparing getting a vaccine to a religion? Choosing not to get a vaccine outs everyone around you at risk and is selfish. Being a member of a religion should only effects you.

Try to keep up with the science. The vaccines don't really seem to prevent infection, they just protect you from significantly bad outcomes. An unvaccinated person doesn't pose a risk to the vaccinated. If anything, it's the other way around.

This is just about moral shaming, nothing else,

Tell that to family of the 90 year old who was fully vaccinated but caught COVID from someone who wasn’t. Do you understand viral load and viral shedding at all? Do you understand viruses need hosts in order to mutate? I’m not interested in giving you a science lesson since you Seem to think science is a belief and not fact.

Did the 90 year old recover? Good, another reason to get vaccinated.

If the 90 year old did not recover, it has nothing to do with an unvaccinated person. They were NINETY YEARS OLD. People who are ninety years old are fragile, because they are NINETY. They, like everyone, are not meant to live forever, and have already far exceeded the average life expectancy because they are NINETY.

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DP. The unvaccinated pose a very meaningful risk to society as a whole. But it is fashionable now to forget that anyone has any civic duty to society as a whole.

The unvaccinated are the ones who fill up hospital beds, end up seriously ill, or die. I guess you'd say, well, that's on them; their serious illnesses, hospital stays and deaths (or long Covid) don't hurt me as a vaccinated person so why do I care? I care because the unvaccinated still put many people at risk: Children who can't be vaccinated yet, people of all ages who can't be vaccinated, people who are vaccinated but for whom even a "mild" case of Covid could end up being devastating. But there's zero concern at this point for those vulnerable people and an attitude of "Let them stay home forever, then, so the rest of us can Go On Living!" Nope, those people are not part of society, apparently.