Anonymous wrote:Sounds like sister is keeping the baby hostage and not allowing her family to see it, even outside. OP stop trying to see it and let her do it on her own...with her nanny of course.

How do you keep a baby hostage? Really, what does that mean? That usually means someone is held against their will and that doesn't apply to a mother and her baby. Are you in a cult? There is no requirement that a mother share her baby with her extended family - even outside. That doesn't mean a person is having mental issues. More than likely it means she has an extended family full of rude asshats.

Anonymous wrote:So even though OP's sister is showing signs of dysfunctional anxiety, she should back off instead of trying to help her get treatment? She should back off until her sister realizes that she has a problem? She should ignore her brother-in-laws request for help? She should let her sister's life implode? OP is the crazy one for wanting to help her sister?

What does that mean? You are as crazy as op if you think that is normal. Not a person I know would tolerate someone trying to get them to "get treatment" for having different parenting views. That's crazy. I feel sorry for any mother who is around you people.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t help a full grown adult who has told you to back off. Op has no entitlement to be anywhere near her sister’s baby. She gets no input into the decisions. Op has already shared her feelings with the sister. The sister knows how her family feels. She doesn’t care. This should be the end of the discussions.

But that doesn't mean you give up. Maybe that might mean supporting sister' DH to visit his family. Mayve that means giving the sister a name of a good therapist. Maybe that means a family meeting to discuss what the problem is, similar to intervention with somebody suffering from substance abuse problems. What you don't do is let somebody suffering from impairing mental illness go untreated. This isn't about OPs sense of entitlement to hold her sister's baby, this about untreated anxiety that is impairing sister's ability to function, which includes parenting her child.

OP is sure making it seem that way.

+1

I see very little in OPs posts, especially since she got the same advice in her first thread, by way of concern for her sister. I see a lot of shaming and manipulation, and that’s even in her own posts. She is only committed to doubling down on feeding the validation that her sister is some horrible, psychopathic monster mother.

I'd consider cutting someone like that off. A person who has no clue about boundaries and is as judgemental as that doesn't need to be anywhere near a new mom.

Anonymous wrote:OP maybe you can consider having your own baby?

I hope not, she's nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t help a full grown adult who has told you to back off. Op has no entitlement to be anywhere near her sister’s baby. She gets no input into the decisions. Op has already shared her feelings with the sister. The sister knows how her family feels. She doesn’t care. This should be the end of the discussions.

But that doesn't mean you give up. Maybe that might mean supporting sister' DH to visit his family. Mayve that means giving the sister a name of a good therapist. Maybe that means a family meeting to discuss what the problem is, similar to intervention with somebody suffering from substance abuse problems. What you don't do is let somebody suffering from impairing mental illness go untreated. This isn't about OPs sense of entitlement to hold her sister's baby, this about untreated anxiety that is impairing sister's ability to function, which includes parenting her child.

OP is sure making it seem that way.

+1

I see very little in OPs posts, especially since she got the same advice in her first thread, by way of concern for her sister. I see a lot of shaming and manipulation, and that’s even in her own posts. She is only committed to doubling down on feeding the validation that her sister is some horrible, psychopathic monster mother.

Anonymous wrote:So even though OP's sister is showing signs of dysfunctional anxiety, she should back off instead of trying to help her get treatment? She should back off until her sister realizes that she has a problem? She should ignore her brother-in-laws request for help? She should let her sister's life implode? OP is the crazy one for wanting to help her sister?

There's a difference between support and harassment. So yes, she should back off. It's fine to offer help and let someone know about the concern, but pushing too hard us not only not OK, it's not even effective. Like, continuing to push at this point is literally not going to achieve OP's goals.

Anonymous wrote:You can’t help a full grown adult who has told you to back off. Op has no entitlement to be anywhere near her sister’s baby. She gets no input into the decisions. Op has already shared her feelings with the sister. The sister knows how her family feels. She doesn’t care. This should be the end of the discussions.

But that doesn't mean you give up. Maybe that might mean supporting sister' DH to visit his family. Mayve that means giving the sister a name of a good therapist. Maybe that means a family meeting to discuss what the problem is, similar to intervention with somebody suffering from substance abuse problems. What you don't do is let somebody suffering from impairing mental illness go untreated. This isn't about OPs sense of entitlement to hold her sister's baby, this about untreated anxiety that is impairing sister's ability to function, which includes parenting her child.

OP is sure making it seem that way.

You can’t help a full grown adult who has told you to back off. Op has no entitlement to be anywhere near her sister’s baby. She gets no input into the decisions. Op has already shared her feelings with the sister. The sister knows how her family feels. She doesn’t care. This should be the end of the discussions.

But that doesn't mean you give up. Maybe that might mean supporting sister' DH to visit his family. Mayve that means giving the sister a name of a good therapist. Maybe that means a family meeting to discuss what the problem is, similar to intervention with somebody suffering from substance abuse problems. What you don't do is let somebody suffering from impairing mental illness go untreated. This isn't about OPs sense of entitlement to hold her sister's baby, this about untreated anxiety that is impairing sister's ability to function, which includes parenting her child.

Anonymous wrote:So even though OP's sister is showing signs of dysfunctional anxiety, she should back off instead of trying to help her get treatment? She should back off until her sister realizes that she has a problem? She should ignore her brother-in-laws request for help? She should let her sister's life implode? OP is the crazy one for wanting to help her sister?

You can’t help a full grown adult who has told you to back off. Op has no entitlement to be anywhere near her sister’s baby. She gets no input into the decisions. Op has already shared her feelings with the sister. The sister knows how her family feels. She doesn’t care. This should be the end of the discussions.

Anonymous wrote:So even though OP's sister is showing signs of dysfunctional anxiety, she should back off instead of trying to help her get treatment? She should back off until her sister realizes that she has a problem? She should ignore her brother-in-laws request for help? She should let her sister's life implode? OP is the crazy one for wanting to help her sister?

OP is crazy for making up a story. If the “bathed in bottled water” nonsense was real, they would have been the first post. OP is writing a work of fiction, maybe inspired by the real life events of being weirdly envious of and obsessed with her sister.

So even though OP's sister is showing signs of dysfunctional anxiety, she should back off instead of trying to help her get treatment? She should back off until her sister realizes that she has a problem? She should ignore her brother-in-laws request for help? She should let her sister's life implode? OP is the crazy one for wanting to help her sister?

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Anonymous wrote:So glad my family members aren't like your sister. Can't imagine having to deal with a train wreck like her. Good luck..

OP is the train wreck. There is probably a good reason to avoid her.

I am amazed that a woman bathing her baby using bottled water, wiping down packages in 2022, and refusing to walk outside because it’s unsafe to breathe air people have walked through is being held as mental healthy, rational, and reasonable.
And op is the crazy one? Y’all are nuts and probably advocates for masks forever
This is why youngkin won…COVID pushed people over the edge to completely illogical unreasonable places

Lol nope, we just think OP is making up her sister’s “crazy” because everyone is telling her to back off. Also we think we would tell OP we were “crazy” too to avoid having to see her.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So glad my family members aren't like your sister. Can't imagine having to deal with a train wreck like her. Good luck..

OP is the train wreck. There is probably a good reason to avoid her.

I am amazed that a woman bathing her baby using bottled water, wiping down packages in 2022, and refusing to walk outside because it’s unsafe to breathe air people have walked through is being held as mental healthy, rational, and reasonable.
And op is the crazy one? Y’all are nuts and probably advocates for masks forever
This is why youngkin won…COVID pushed people over the edge to completely illogical unreasonable places

No Younkin won because people like you are committed to seeing the big picture. If OP were the sister, I’d say “Omg take your baby outside.” But OP is not. OP wants to make her sister do something, with her sisters own child, when it’s truly none of OP’s business.

OP maybe you can consider having your own baby?

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Anonymous wrote:So glad my family members aren't like your sister. Can't imagine having to deal with a train wreck like her. Good luck..

OP is the train wreck. There is probably a good reason to avoid her.

I am amazed that a woman bathing her baby using bottled water, wiping down packages in 2022, and refusing to walk outside because it’s unsafe to breathe air people have walked through is being held as mental healthy, rational, and reasonable.
And op is the crazy one? Y’all are nuts and probably advocates for masks forever
This is why youngkin won…COVID pushed people over the edge to completely illogical unreasonable places