Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:47     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


Someone said this in the prior page which was fine, I think:

Race isn't real, but racism (the belief that race is real and that one race or multiple races are better than other races) is real, and the racism behind the Nazi movement considered "Jewish" to be a race, hence the inclusion of nonpracticing Jews and Christians with a Jewish grandparent in the Nazi extermination program.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:45     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Judaism is a religion, not a race. However, the Nazis treated Jews as inferior to the Aryan race, which is a racial concept the Nazi's falsely promoted to the Germans to denigrate Jews and other non-Aryans. I am Jewish, and I am bothered by people who refer to Jews as another race--we're not and that's a holdover from Nazi Germany that doesn't belong in modern rhetoric. I think Whoopi's thoughts sounded better in her head than coming out of her mouth, but she shouldn't have said what she said because from the Nazi's perspective, Jews were a race and their intent was to get rid of them--this wasn't a white on white thing, so she's wrong.

Also, people who waltz around saying "well the Nazis killed other people too" are the same people who say all lives matter and I'm done with it. The Holocaust was a systematic effort to exterminate the Jewish people. That was its primary purpose and yes the Nazis did kill others that did not fit into their Aryan race, but that wasn't why they came up with the final solution. the final solution was the rid the earth of Jews and they did a pretty good job of nearly succeeding.


I’m not Jewish but that’s how I’ve always viewed it as well. I thought everybody knew this.


+1

Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:44     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Nazis viewed Jews as a race and used racial “purity” tests. The key point is that the Nazis sought to exterminate the Jewish people. Her comments were weird and cruel.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:40     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:40     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think Hitler saw Jews as an inferior race.


You’re right - Hilter called it the Jewish race. Whoopi is wrong.

So now Hitler is the authority. Can't pick and choose when Adolf Hitler was right/wrong.


Well he is who we should look to for the motivation behind the holocaust - which is what I believe is the topic of this thread.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:31     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Is the bottom line that Jewish is considered a race? Is Jewish a race? I literally have no idea.



Race isn't real, but racism (the belief that race is real and that one race or multiple races are better than other races) is real, and the racism behind the Nazi movement considered "Jewish" to be a race, hence the inclusion of nonpracticing Jews and Christians with a Jewish grandparent in the Nazi extermination program.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:26     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
The thing to understand is, I'm not religiously Jewish. I was raised Presbyterian.

But under Third Reich policies, I'd be sent to my death because my granddad was Jewish.

So it's definitely not just about religion. It was racism.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 15:20     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Judaism is a religion, not a race. However, the Nazis treated Jews as inferior to the Aryan race, which is a racial concept the Nazi's falsely promoted to the Germans to denigrate Jews and other non-Aryans. I am Jewish, and I am bothered by people who refer to Jews as another race--we're not and that's a holdover from Nazi Germany that doesn't belong in modern rhetoric. I think Whoopi's thoughts sounded better in her head than coming out of her mouth, but she shouldn't have said what she said because from the Nazi's perspective, Jews were a race and their intent was to get rid of them--this wasn't a white on white thing, so she's wrong.

Also, people who waltz around saying "well the Nazis killed other people too" are the same people who say all lives matter and I'm done with it. The Holocaust was a systematic effort to exterminate the Jewish people. That was its primary purpose and yes the Nazis did kill others that did not fit into their Aryan race, but that wasn't why they came up with the final solution. the final solution was the rid the earth of Jews and they did a pretty good job of nearly succeeding.


I’m not Jewish but that’s how I’ve always viewed it as well. I thought everybody knew this.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:57     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree with her, what is the confusion?

There are black Jews, Asian Jews.

Also Nazis targeted all those they considered inferior (such as gays, the disabled).



exactly. People are intentionally and willfully misconstruing what she said.

A lot of people are committed to finding something to be angry and enraged about.


Now this gets me thinking. There are Ethiopian Jews (they don’t get treated that well in Israel apparently with being recognized etc), and all kinds of Jews, but if Jewish is comsiderad race are they actual Jews or just converts? Catholics aren’t a race. All this is so confusing to me. I thought Jewish was a religion not a race.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:50     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Is the bottom line that Jewish is considered a race? Is Jewish a race? I literally have no idea.

Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:50     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
I am Jewish and had relatives killed in the Holocaust. I think this whole thing about Whoopi has been way overblown and I was watching in real time.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:46     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
The thing about Whoopi is that she has always been someone who is tolerant and racially accepting. She is not an anti-semite nor is she a holocaust denier.

Starting with intention is key. People whose intentions are pure are allowed to have opinions, get feedback, adjust and correct. Whoopi should not be vilified for this... she is not the enemy. She acknowledged that she is wrong and she apologized.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:44     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think Hitler saw Jews as an inferior race.


You’re right - Hilter called it the Jewish race. Whoopi is wrong.

So now Hitler is the authority. Can't pick and choose when Adolf Hitler was right/wrong.

It's what he was thinking and saying as he carried out his crimes.doesnt mean he was right.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:41     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think Hitler saw Jews as an inferior race.


You’re right - Hilter called it the Jewish race. Whoopi is wrong.

So now Hitler is the authority. Can't pick and choose when Adolf Hitler was right/wrong.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 14:01     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Judaism is a religion, not a race. However, the Nazis treated Jews as inferior to the Aryan race, which is a racial concept the Nazi's falsely promoted to the Germans to denigrate Jews and other non-Aryans. I am Jewish, and I am bothered by people who refer to Jews as another race--we're not and that's a holdover from Nazi Germany that doesn't belong in modern rhetoric. I think Whoopi's thoughts sounded better in her head than coming out of her mouth, but she shouldn't have said what she said because from the Nazi's perspective, Jews were a race and their intent was to get rid of them--this wasn't a white on white thing, so she's wrong.

Also, people who waltz around saying "well the Nazis killed other people too" are the same people who say all lives matter and I'm done with it. The Holocaust was a systematic effort to exterminate the Jewish people. That was its primary purpose and yes the Nazis did kill others that did not fit into their Aryan race, but that wasn't why they came up with the final solution. the final solution was the rid the earth of Jews and they did a pretty good job of nearly succeeding.


You are ridiculous.