😂 some evil people in the forum. Have a nice night!

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Anonymous wrote:My son withdrew and declined other EA offers when the financial package of his ED offer was settled. However, it was a dragged discussion with a lot of drama at home because the school played hard ball and kid really wanted to go. I even had him apply regular. We waited until written official confirmation of adjusted financial offer was uploaded to the school portal to decline and withdraw others, not trusting phone or email conversation. This got us passed the deadline. I can see how some parents maybe still be in similar position. I agree ED accepted kids with financials settled should step aside for the sake of their colleagues. I have also heard of kids that have continued to apply to many schools despite ED financials being settled. This is just wrong.

how was the school playing hard ball?

Financial aid formula is a black box in each school. You start to ask about the details of how things are imputed from IRS tools and odd stuff shows up. Aid offer kept potentially increasing and decreasing in phone conversations depending on who talked to. Finally they said a consolidated offer letter would be sent but it did not arrive before the deadline. Had to accept and wait for the formal offer to be uploaded.

Sounds like you need a better career. There are state schools you know?!?

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Anonymous wrote:My son withdrew and declined other EA offers when the financial package of his ED offer was settled. However, it was a dragged discussion with a lot of drama at home because the school played hard ball and kid really wanted to go. I even had him apply regular. We waited until written official confirmation of adjusted financial offer was uploaded to the school portal to decline and withdraw others, not trusting phone or email conversation. This got us passed the deadline. I can see how some parents maybe still be in similar position. I agree ED accepted kids with financials settled should step aside for the sake of their colleagues. I have also heard of kids that have continued to apply to many schools despite ED financials being settled. This is just wrong.

how was the school playing hard ball?

Financial aid formula is a black box in each school. You start to ask about the details of how things are imputed from IRS tools and odd stuff shows up. Aid offer kept potentially increasing and decreasing in phone conversations depending on who talked to. Finally they said a consolidated offer letter would be sent but it did not arrive before the deadline. Had to accept and wait for the formal offer to be uploaded.

Most ED schools require the student, parent and HS counselor confirm that the student has withdrawn their applications from all other schools.

Is this the same person who lied about their race?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious why this topic resonates with so many posters. This whole ED business only matters for extraordinary kids applying to top 10-20 colleges that take very few students from the same high school. It doesn’t matter for UVA or WM or UMD. Your kids friend not withdrawing after being accepted ED to Columbia is not going to kill your kids chances at UVA.

I would just add, having no dog in this fight, that my coworker's daughter applied ED to Columbia four years ago and the financial aid they got back was $20K short of the EFC. You really don't now where people are, or their personal situations.

That’s why people like that should not be applying ED. You are at a great advantage applying ED. The admissions rates are typically higher for ED applications. So if you know you can’t afford the school, you DO NOT apply ED. I don’t feel sorry for families who can’t afford ED like your friend. Don’t you think there are a lot of people who want to apply ED who don’t because they have a realistic view of their finances? It is total B.S. to apply ED and not pull your other applications once you have been accepted. Period.

Yup. That's why we didn't apply. I would personally like to see more EA or get rid of ED, but if that is the agreement people sign up for, they need to hold to it. It's not fair to the rest of us who didn't apply for financial reasons to get the admissions bump and then bail and complain that FA wasn't enough. It is especially not cool to just hang on to other apps for kicks.

Kids who apply ED, can afford it, but then don't withdraw their other applications make things really difficult for teachers writing recommendations.

Teachers want to be able to write the best letter they can for a student. But they can't say that everyone is the best they've ever had if every school is reading the recommendation letter. But they can shade the truth if they know the schools to which each kid applies.

So if the top student that year, the new "Best they've ever had", gets in ED at School A, then the teacher can look to see who applies to Schools B, C and D. If #2 applies to B and D, then #2 is the "top student they've ever had". #3 gets to be the "top student they've ever had" at School C. That way you turn the "best student you've ever had" message into three students getting that support across four schools.

That's effective recommendation writing. But it falls apart if #1 takes the teacher's letter from the ED process at School A, and sends it off to Schools B, C and D. It harms not just those three students to show the teacher gaming the recommendation system, but it vaporizes the teacher's credibility for any future rec letters.

Anonymous wrote:My son withdrew and declined other EA offers when the financial package of his ED offer was settled. However, it was a dragged discussion with a lot of drama at home because the school played hard ball and kid really wanted to go. I even had him apply regular. We waited until written official confirmation of adjusted financial offer was uploaded to the school portal to decline and withdraw others, not trusting phone or email conversation. This got us passed the deadline. I can see how some parents maybe still be in similar position. I agree ED accepted kids with financials settled should step aside for the sake of their colleagues. I have also heard of kids that have continued to apply to many schools despite ED financials being settled. This is just wrong.

how was the school playing hard ball?

My son withdrew and declined other EA offers when the financial package of his ED offer was settled. However, it was a dragged discussion with a lot of drama at home because the school played hard ball and kid really wanted to go. I even had him apply regular. We waited until written official confirmation of adjusted financial offer was uploaded to the school portal to decline and withdraw others, not trusting phone or email conversation. This got us passed the deadline. I can see how some parents maybe still be in similar position. I agree ED accepted kids with financials settled should step aside for the sake of their colleagues. I have also heard of kids that have continued to apply to many schools despite ED financials being settled. This is just wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious why this topic resonates with so many posters. This whole ED business only matters for extraordinary kids applying to top 10-20 colleges that take very few students from the same high school. It doesn’t matter for UVA or WM or UMD. Your kids friend not withdrawing after being accepted ED to Columbia is not going to kill your kids chances at UVA.

I would just add, having no dog in this fight, that my coworker's daughter applied ED to Columbia four years ago and the financial aid they got back was $20K short of the EFC. You really don't now where people are, or their personal situations.

That’s why people like that should not be applying ED. You are at a great advantage applying ED. The admissions rates are typically higher for ED applications. So if you know you can’t afford the school, you DO NOT apply ED. I don’t feel sorry for families who can’t afford ED like your friend. Don’t you think there are a lot of people who want to apply ED who don’t because they have a realistic view of their finances? It is total B.S. to apply ED and not pull your other applications once you have been accepted. Period.

Are people so lazy that they cannot or will not google a topic or even read through earlier DCUM posts. Reposting what was already posted earlier.

Just because someone is playing by rules you do not like, doesn't mean they shouldn't play. Everyone is trying to game the system to their advantage.

Read this New York Times article on what Early Decision means: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/18/your-money/payi...rly-decision-binding-nyu.html. Some key highlights:

- Here’s a news flash: These supposedly binding offers do not, in fact, oblige you to attend. If you can’t afford to go at the price that the college has asked you to pay, you can back out.

- You’re supposed to withdraw applications elsewhere and not send out others only if you accept an early decision offer

- Consider this line from its early decision agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

ED? The deadline to accept the offer is past. If this student has not accepted, the offer is gone.

NO. It hadn’t. It varies by school but by contract the students had to review the financial aid package. Most parents haven’t even filed the FAFSA yet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious why this topic resonates with so many posters. This whole ED business only matters for extraordinary kids applying to top 10-20 colleges that take very few students from the same high school. It doesn’t matter for UVA or WM or UMD. Your kids friend not withdrawing after being accepted ED to Columbia is not going to kill your kids chances at UVA.

I would just add, having no dog in this fight, that my coworker's daughter applied ED to Columbia four years ago and the financial aid they got back was $20K short of the EFC. You really don't now where people are, or their personal situations.

That’s why people like that should not be applying ED. You are at a great advantage applying ED. The admissions rates are typically higher for ED applications. So if you know you can’t afford the school, you DO NOT apply ED. I don’t feel sorry for families who can’t afford ED like your friend. Don’t you think there are a lot of people who want to apply ED who don’t because they have a realistic view of their finances? It is total B.S. to apply ED and not pull your other applications once you have been accepted. Period.

You are insane.

People should be able to count on the NPC. That is the point of it.

You are essentially saying that students only UMC and above should be applying ED. You are the problem.

The parents complaining are not the ones who made the rules. However, the student who hasn't withdrawn their applications from other colleges is breaking an agreement made not only with their college that accepted them, but with their high school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious why this topic resonates with so many posters. This whole ED business only matters for extraordinary kids applying to top 10-20 colleges that take very few students from the same high school. It doesn’t matter for UVA or WM or UMD. Your kids friend not withdrawing after being accepted ED to Columbia is not going to kill your kids chances at UVA.

I would just add, having no dog in this fight, that my coworker's daughter applied ED to Columbia four years ago and the financial aid they got back was $20K short of the EFC. You really don't now where people are, or their personal situations.

That’s why people like that should not be applying ED. You are at a great advantage applying ED. The admissions rates are typically higher for ED applications. So if you know you can’t afford the school, you DO NOT apply ED. I don’t feel sorry for families who can’t afford ED like your friend. Don’t you think there are a lot of people who want to apply ED who don’t because they have a realistic view of their finances? It is total B.S. to apply ED and not pull your other applications once you have been accepted. Period.

Are people so lazy that they cannot or will not google a topic or even read through earlier DCUM posts. Reposting what was already posted earlier.

Just because someone is playing by rules you do not like, doesn't mean they shouldn't play. Everyone is trying to game the system to their advantage.

Read this New York Times article on what Early Decision means: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/18/your-money/payi...rly-decision-binding-nyu.html. Some key highlights:

- Here’s a news flash: These supposedly binding offers do not, in fact, oblige you to attend. If you can’t afford to go at the price that the college has asked you to pay, you can back out.

- You’re supposed to withdraw applications elsewhere and not send out others only if you accept an early decision offer

- Consider this line from its early decision agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

ED? The deadline to accept the offer is past. If this student has not accepted, the offer is gone.

What does that mean? Not afford if full pay? Not afford without financial aid or discounting? It is easy to say "never afford. Period." But that analysis is not always so easy given the variabilities in financial aid, not to mention the elusive hope of merit aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious why this topic resonates with so many posters. This whole ED business only matters for extraordinary kids applying to top 10-20 colleges that take very few students from the same high school. It doesn’t matter for UVA or WM or UMD. Your kids friend not withdrawing after being accepted ED to Columbia is not going to kill your kids chances at UVA.

I would just add, having no dog in this fight, that my coworker's daughter applied ED to Columbia four years ago and the financial aid they got back was $20K short of the EFC. You really don't now where people are, or their personal situations.

That’s why people like that should not be applying ED. You are at a great advantage applying ED. The admissions rates are typically higher for ED applications. So if you know you can’t afford the school, you DO NOT apply ED. I don’t feel sorry for families who can’t afford ED like your friend. Don’t you think there are a lot of people who want to apply ED who don’t because they have a realistic view of their finances? It is total B.S. to apply ED and not pull your other applications once you have been accepted. Period.

Are people so lazy that they cannot or will not google a topic or even read through earlier DCUM posts. Reposting what was already posted earlier.

Just because someone is playing by rules you do not like, doesn't mean they shouldn't play. Everyone is trying to game the system to their advantage.

Read this New York Times article on what Early Decision means: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/18/your-money/payi...rly-decision-binding-nyu.html. Some key highlights:

- Here’s a news flash: These supposedly binding offers do not, in fact, oblige you to attend. If you can’t afford to go at the price that the college has asked you to pay, you can back out.

- You’re supposed to withdraw applications elsewhere and not send out others only if you accept an early decision offer

- Consider this line from its early decision agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

Anonymous wrote:In some cases parents of ED accepted are still scrambling to get loans to pay for the school past the decision deadline. What would you do? Do not rush to judge others.

Not apply to a school I could never afford. Period.