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Post 01/20/2022 17:25     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.



Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.


Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.


How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.


Wrong. Three months with “natural immunity,” and only if you’re even one of the 2/3 to 3/4 of COVID cases that produce any immunity at all.


Wrong. https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/19/those-who-recovered-from-covid-19-were-less-likely-than-vaccinated-to-get-infected-during-delta-wave/
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Post 01/20/2022 13:35     Subject: Re:Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:Many anti-vax nurses are quitting because they fear the vaccine will impact their fertility. They got this belief not from any study (which has shown the exact opposite), but from TikTok influencers talking about their post-vac periods, which every woman knows can vary month to month for any reason and no reason at all. Do you really want the people responsible for overseeing your care to be so stupid? What’s next? Are they going to deny you medicine because they believe in essential oils? Deny you an X-ray and heal you through reiki?

Goodbye and good riddance, ladies.


I didn't have a period at all for five months after the second shot. Yes, that affected my fertility. TikTok didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe the nurses are smarter than I am.


Vax affected my period also. And I already have some kids, so it’s not as huge if an issue for us. But if I were a young, female nurse, or if I was pregnant, I could see being concerned.


That’s ridiculous. The experts who knew the vax wouldn’t lose efficacy over time are quite sure there will be no long term side effects. #trustthescience
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 11:36     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Don't get me wrong, They shoudl get it but THEY Don't have to.

I am okay with a doctor not wearing a mask or getting a vax they didn't pe covid why should they now?
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 08:46     Subject: Re:Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:Many anti-vax nurses are quitting because they fear the vaccine will impact their fertility. They got this belief not from any study (which has shown the exact opposite), but from TikTok influencers talking about their post-vac periods, which every woman knows can vary month to month for any reason and no reason at all. Do you really want the people responsible for overseeing your care to be so stupid? What’s next? Are they going to deny you medicine because they believe in essential oils? Deny you an X-ray and heal you through reiki?

Goodbye and good riddance, ladies.


I didn't have a period at all for five months after the second shot. Yes, that affected my fertility. TikTok didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe the nurses are smarter than I am.


Vax affected my period also. And I already have some kids, so it’s not as huge if an issue for us. But if I were a young, female nurse, or if I was pregnant, I could see being concerned.


Ok, we’ll exactly zero studies have shown any link between the vax, periods, and impaired infertility. It seems like a nice theory that a change in your period could render you infertile because you didn’t have a period that month or it was late or heavy or light, but its a theory that has not been borne out by any data. I’ve gotten sick from a cold and my periods were jacked up. Stress, lack of sleep- all of these things can change a cycle. Studies have shown exceptionally modest impacts on period length from the vaccine. There is absolutely no way this vaccine could biologically render someone infertile, short of an over the top immune response like GBS. The vaccine just doesn’t work like that. Biological impossibility.


You know what does conclusively impact fertility though, right? COVID. It has been associated with increased likelihood of very bad outcomes in pregnancy, including death, placental abruption, stillbirth, and miscarriage, as well as other assorted increased harms to the mother. But you know, so much uncertainty with those vaccines.


Well, actually there are studies that show a link between the vax and periods, which impacts fertility. The effects are short term, but they are real and do exist.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2022 06:15     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.



Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.


Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.


How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.


Wrong. Three months with “natural immunity,” and only if you’re even one of the 2/3 to 3/4 of COVID cases that produce any immunity at all.


No, you are completely and totally wrong on this.

"One important takeaway from all that pre-omicron research: Infection-induced immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are pretty similar. On the whole, studies found that the efficacy of infection-induced immunity was about the same as what you’d get from a two-dose mRNA vaccine, and sometimes higher. For example, research from the U.K., in which a few hundred thousand participants were followed in a large-scale longitudinal survey, found that prior to May 16, having had two doses of the vaccine (regardless of the type) reduced the risk of testing positive by 79 percent, while being unvaccinated and having had a previous infection reduced the risk by 65 percent. After the delta variant became dominant,1 vaccination became less effective, reducing the risk by 67 percent, while a previous infection reduced the risk by 71 percent.

Likewise, both kinds of immunity seemed to wane over time — though Moore said infection-induced immunity might take longer to decline because a vaccination happens nearly all at once, while an infection takes longer to go through a process of growing, declining and finally being cleared from the body. “But it’s also not radically different [from antibody titers to vaccination]. It’s not measured in years, but months,” he said.

This is why some countries, including the member states of the European Union, treat documented recovery from COVID-19 as functionally the same as vaccination in their “vaccine passport” systems."

Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:07     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.



Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.


Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.


How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.


Wrong. Three months with “natural immunity,” and only if you’re even one of the 2/3 to 3/4 of COVID cases that produce any immunity at all.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:05     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:Go Youngkin, Go!!!!

A lot of us are rooting for you! More than many of you realize!


Don’t worry. Everyone knows how many of you morons there are.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 23:00     Subject: Re:Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many anti-vax nurses are quitting because they fear the vaccine will impact their fertility. They got this belief not from any study (which has shown the exact opposite), but from TikTok influencers talking about their post-vac periods, which every woman knows can vary month to month for any reason and no reason at all. Do you really want the people responsible for overseeing your care to be so stupid? What’s next? Are they going to deny you medicine because they believe in essential oils? Deny you an X-ray and heal you through reiki?

Goodbye and good riddance, ladies.


I didn't have a period at all for five months after the second shot. Yes, that affected my fertility. TikTok didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe the nurses are smarter than I am.


Vax affected my period also. And I already have some kids, so it’s not as huge if an issue for us. But if I were a young, female nurse, or if I was pregnant, I could see being concerned.


Ok, we’ll exactly zero studies have shown any link between the vax, periods, and impaired infertility. It seems like a nice theory that a change in your period could render you infertile because you didn’t have a period that month or it was late or heavy or light, but its a theory that has not been borne out by any data. I’ve gotten sick from a cold and my periods were jacked up. Stress, lack of sleep- all of these things can change a cycle. Studies have shown exceptionally modest impacts on period length from the vaccine. There is absolutely no way this vaccine could biologically render someone infertile, short of an over the top immune response like GBS. The vaccine just doesn’t work like that. Biological impossibility.


You know what does conclusively impact fertility though, right? COVID. It has been associated with increased likelihood of very bad outcomes in pregnancy, including death, placental abruption, stillbirth, and miscarriage, as well as other assorted increased harms to the mother. But you know, so much uncertainty with those vaccines.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 22:25     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

which don't pose much of a danger to you - if you are vaccinated
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 22:15     Subject: Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:Personally I will avoid getting healthcare at a hospital or health system that doesn’t require vaccination.

I'd like to avoid hospitals that have vaccinated but symptomatic staff in the building.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 22:06     Subject: Re:Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many anti-vax nurses are quitting because they fear the vaccine will impact their fertility. They got this belief not from any study (which has shown the exact opposite), but from TikTok influencers talking about their post-vac periods, which every woman knows can vary month to month for any reason and no reason at all. Do you really want the people responsible for overseeing your care to be so stupid? What’s next? Are they going to deny you medicine because they believe in essential oils? Deny you an X-ray and heal you through reiki?

Goodbye and good riddance, ladies.


I didn't have a period at all for five months after the second shot. Yes, that affected my fertility. TikTok didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe the nurses are smarter than I am.


Vax affected my period also. And I already have some kids, so it’s not as huge if an issue for us. But if I were a young, female nurse, or if I was pregnant, I could see being concerned.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 21:36     Subject: Re:Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

Anonymous wrote:Many anti-vax nurses are quitting because they fear the vaccine will impact their fertility. They got this belief not from any study (which has shown the exact opposite), but from TikTok influencers talking about their post-vac periods, which every woman knows can vary month to month for any reason and no reason at all. Do you really want the people responsible for overseeing your care to be so stupid? What’s next? Are they going to deny you medicine because they believe in essential oils? Deny you an X-ray and heal you through reiki?

Goodbye and good riddance, ladies.


I didn't have a period at all for five months after the second shot. Yes, that affected my fertility. TikTok didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe the nurses are smarter than I am.