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Anonymous wrote:Thanks Democrats

If you can't see the Republican policies behind this, you aren't using your critical thinking skills.

Umm no.

Republicans want gifted programs. Democrats don’t.

And last time I checked, NYC is run by democrats, and has been for quite a while. It’s literally insane to try to blame this on republicans.

Anonymous wrote:Waste of time and money. Your kid smart? Great they will get a bunch of 5s on AP tests in high school and roll those standardized tests.

The district my kids grew up in is a well to do area with lots of smart kids. The district long ago (decades) got rid of the gifted and talented program. Smart kids are easy to challenge and get differentiated simple enough.

Anonymous wrote:There’s some nuance here. DiBlasio is a straight-up communist, no doubt, and watering down the standards for the test-in high schools to achieve racial balance is the worst sort of leveling-down equity. That’s destructive and coming to a school district near you.

But the NYC G&T stuff for elementary is beyond absurd. The tests are eminently prepable at that age, and the standards are insufficient to identify actually gifted children. It merely created a parallel school system that allowed UMC parents to remain in public in the City, and resulted in a dog-eat-dog knife fight where if your kid didn’t make the cut, you were either out 50k a year for private or became a part of the bridge-and-tunnel crowd. The discussions on youbemom.com circa 2008 were fascinating, and IMO illustrated the pathology of that system.

In my (admittedly unsavory) opinion, all the G&T program in NYC did was allow the rich to maintain left-wing luxury beliefs while being insulated from the consequences, which were left for other people’s kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think they should eliminate g&t - they should ensure it is demographically balanced.

I live in NYC. I'm born and raised here and have lived here my entire life.

They're are only 5 schools with the programs. It's literally in only certain areas.

MANY, MANY parents don't even know the program exist. I didn't even know this program existed until 2 years ago! HA!

I live in NYC too. You are thinking about schools like Anderson and NEST. But there are also G&T programs in many local elementary schools operating like a separate track.

Honestly, I had no idea this even existed. i just went to my local public school.

With that said, I truly believe there is something deeper going on than just wanting to integrate the schools. I think low income black and hispanic childre are being scapegoating and being used as a mask to privatize NYC public school system.

For example, this happened in new orleans that has become the first city with no more public schools. https://thelensnola.org/2019/07/01/new-orleans-becomes-first-major-american-city-without-traditional-schools/

There is a lot more that meets the eye and it's unfortunate the black families are being used as a mask. I think NYC is on its way to only having charter schools.

As the saying goes... follow the money.

100% agree. This is part of a long planned decimation of public education in the US. Follow the money is absolutely right. If you water down curriculum for long enough, people will leave and demand other options. And the money comes rolling in to the charter industry.

The people who have advocated for watered down curriculum (while not admitting that's what it is) are the same ones who violently oppose any school choice. I don't think your argument holds water.

Charter schools are not required to educate any children. They are absolutely used as a weapon in certain places.

And yet they have better outcomes than traditional public schools. While costing less money.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County will go that way soon. They are doing everything they can to dismantle their AAP program.

I have almost finished my third decade working in an ES for FCPS. I think it was much better when the program was GT and students who truly “thought outside the box” got into the program. Now many of the students who are in the program are in it solely because of test scores or because parents were squeaky wheels. Many of the students aren’t flexible in their thinking at all and are actually quite rigid with their mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks Democrats

If you can't see the Republican policies behind this, you aren't using your critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think they should eliminate g&t - they should ensure it is demographically balanced.

I live in NYC. I'm born and raised here and have lived here my entire life.

They're are only 5 schools with the programs. It's literally in only certain areas.

MANY, MANY parents don't even know the program exist. I didn't even know this program existed until 2 years ago! HA!

I live in NYC too. You are thinking about schools like Anderson and NEST. But there are also G&T programs in many local elementary schools operating like a separate track.

Honestly, I had no idea this even existed. i just went to my local public school.

With that said, I truly believe there is something deeper going on than just wanting to integrate the schools. I think low income black and hispanic childre are being scapegoating and being used as a mask to privatize NYC public school system.

For example, this happened in new orleans that has become the first city with no more public schools. https://thelensnola.org/2019/07/01/new-orleans-becomes-first-major-american-city-without-traditional-schools/

There is a lot more that meets the eye and it's unfortunate the black families are being used as a mask. I think NYC is on its way to only having charter schools.

As the saying goes... follow the money.

100% agree. This is part of a long planned decimation of public education in the US. Follow the money is absolutely right. If you water down curriculum for long enough, people will leave and demand other options. And the money comes rolling in to the charter industry.

The people who have advocated for watered down curriculum (while not admitting that's what it is) are the same ones who violently oppose any school choice. I don't think your argument holds water.

Charter schools are not required to educate any children. They are absolutely used as a weapon in certain places.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think they should eliminate g&t - they should ensure it is demographically balanced.

I live in NYC. I'm born and raised here and have lived here my entire life.

They're are only 5 schools with the programs. It's literally in only certain areas.

MANY, MANY parents don't even know the program exist. I didn't even know this program existed until 2 years ago! HA!

I live in NYC too. You are thinking about schools like Anderson and NEST. But there are also G&T programs in many local elementary schools operating like a separate track.

Honestly, I had no idea this even existed. i just went to my local public school.

With that said, I truly believe there is something deeper going on than just wanting to integrate the schools. I think low income black and hispanic childre are being scapegoating and being used as a mask to privatize NYC public school system.

For example, this happened in new orleans that has become the first city with no more public schools. https://thelensnola.org/2019/07/01/new-orleans-becomes-first-major-american-city-without-traditional-schools/

There is a lot more that meets the eye and it's unfortunate the black families are being used as a mask. I think NYC is on its way to only having charter schools.

As the saying goes... follow the money.

100% agree. This is part of a long planned decimation of public education in the US. Follow the money is absolutely right. If you water down curriculum for long enough, people will leave and demand other options. And the money comes rolling in to the charter industry.

The people who have advocated for watered down curriculum (while not admitting that's what it is) are the same ones who violently oppose any school choice. I don't think your argument holds water.

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Anonymous wrote:I always hear good things about Ember charter school, a predominantly black school in Brooklyn.

Why does it matter if schools are public or charter as long as there is equitable access?

Why does it matter if school employees have health insurance and job protections?

I mean matters to the kids, the objective that should be priority.

My home town went hard core into charter schools to solve their declining and underfunded public schools. It was such a mess. They had charter schools in strip malls. They had charter schools teaching whatever crazy curriculum they wanted — one of my nephews went to a “Montessori” one and turned out to be illiterate because no one had taught him to read. Many had super high teacher turnover and just had teachers. The theory behind charters is that they can be more creative and less regulated. But unless they are closely monitored with guard rails in place, it’s just a money making machine for companies that serve customers (kids) who aren’t well situated to police the product being served to them.
I know of some great charter schools—but it seems like when a system goes heavily into charter schools, it attracts the bad apples and is just much harder to monitor the quality of the product.

Hey Union member - how about reading some research in the subject instead of Union talking points. Here, if you care to educate yourself - charter schools raise all boats.

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/robbers-or-victims-charter-schools-and-district-finances


Charter schools are a well known scam. Their boards spend their funds on private jets and ski getaways while the quality of education goes out the window. Maybe some places figure out how to avoid troubled students to pad their test scores but that is also not good.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County will go that way soon. They are doing everything they can to dismantle their AAP program.

I have almost finished my third decade working in an ES for FCPS. I think it was much better when the program was GT and students who truly “thought outside the box” got into the program. Now many of the students who are in the program are in it solely because of test scores or because parents were squeaky wheels. Many of the students aren’t flexible in their thinking at all and are actually quite rigid with their mindset.

Your last sentience is a dog whistle for anti-Asian racism, bigot.