Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:25
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Define "intellectual." If you're saying that people who read books should stay away from government, I disagree. I also disagree if you're alluding to "rootless cosmopolitans" (*wink wink*).
Riddle me this: when did loudmouth Twitter activists replace expert and experienced opinions in America?
Today anyone can call themselves an Intellectual. It’s now a meaningless term. Because ppl react more to Twitter than cronkite.
Also, today anyone can call anyone else "intellectual" (or more often "elite.") For the last 30 years, talk radio types have been pocketing big cash calling upper middle class and barely wealthy people "elite" while ignoring the filthy rich.
The whole idea is to stoke resentment by the working classes against the professional classes for fun, profit, and political power. One of the usual tricks is to puff up the value of "street smarts" and denigrate "book smarts."
Where does street market marketeer but dumber than a pile of bricks AOC fit in to your last sentence?
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:22
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Education is one of the new status symbols. Newer generations are less materialistic but not less status-seeking.
It’s not a symbol. Higher education actually DOES carry higher status.
Ugh. What do you mean, it’s not a symbol? Status is a symbol, it’s not reflecting an objective, tangible thing that you can grasp. It’s something that humans came up with, and therefore is symbolic. We choose things like money, beauty, education as symbols of status, but we could easily have chosen other things. My point is, you say that higher education carries higher status, as if that is some fact of nature. It doesn’t carry higher status any more than any other thing.
Uhm it actually does. A harvard or Stanford educated person is considered an elite in this country.
LOL this isn't true.
I’d rather know your major(s) than your Uni. Oh, and what you’re doing fulltime, if anything.
Okay let put it this way. A Harvard educated hedge fund managing director living in Connecticut with a country club membership has more social cache than the plumber owning ten businesses and making a few million. Its not about money. Its also about class. That managing director can mingle comfortably in circles the plumber business owner wont. And probably have connections to all that plummy internships for their kids. Sorry to all those women who married "intelligent" men who are all that, but you married a guy in a different class. Too bad. The lady doth protest too much.
Funny you think Harvard generates hedge fund or even i bankers nowadays. Time to crawl out from under your rock and read the last 20 years of alumni news.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:20
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Up until this point I was with the OP and didn't put "well-educated" as a must in my own wonderful spouse. However, "Elite" is absolutely fodder for bigotry and extreme bullying and slander. If you don't believe me, just take one look at any of the TJHSST admissions criteria threads. The reason there is so much bonding there is that everyone sticks together to deal with the spews of hatred from those who didn't get in. I met MANY Ivy/Private college rejects at my alma matter (AKA the "Safety" school). Sorry, just because you can contain your jealousy, doesn't mean there aren't lower forms of life who see their own slightly above mediocre abilities as a LICENSE for passive-aggressive abuse. People in the top 2% of education and intelligence are WAY kinder and family oriented than the top 47-49%.
For the trash out there, I am not saying people who are above average without mental disorder level ego problems are not awesome and husband/wife worthy. I am fully calling out the not okay with themselves that think they just needed be more cruel to take out the naturally gifted and they would have made it. Many of them had parents who beat them for not getting As instead of assisting in fundamentals and were at schools+homes where rape and assault were condoned as long as you were at the top of the class rank. Yeah, definitely not husband/wife material.
Wtf?
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:13
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:
I've also noticed some foreign cultures (east asian, indian) value graduate education in a man very highly.
In Asian cultures, there are no pensions, 401k's or Social Security, it is the children's responsibility to support their elderly parents. That is why Asians are under immense family and social pressure to marry and have children, and why parents place immense pressure on their children to succeed well in school, since their lifestyle in retirement largely depends on their children's income.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:13
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Education is one of the new status symbols. Newer generations are less materialistic but not less status-seeking.
It’s not a symbol. Higher education actually DOES carry higher status.
Ugh. What do you mean, it’s not a symbol? Status is a symbol, it’s not reflecting an objective, tangible thing that you can grasp. It’s something that humans came up with, and therefore is symbolic. We choose things like money, beauty, education as symbols of status, but we could easily have chosen other things. My point is, you say that higher education carries higher status, as if that is some fact of nature. It doesn’t carry higher status any more than any other thing.
Uhm it actually does. A harvard or Stanford educated person is considered an elite in this country.
LOL this isn't true.
I’d rather know your major(s) than your Uni. Oh, and what you’re doing fulltime, if anything.
Okay let put it this way. A Harvard educated hedge fund managing director living in Connecticut with a country club membership has more social cache than the plumber owning ten businesses and making a few million. Its not about money. Its also about class. That managing director can mingle comfortably in circles the plumber business owner wont. And probably have connections to all that plummy internships for their kids. Sorry to all those women who married "intelligent" men who are all that, but you married a guy in a different class. Too bad. The lady doth protest too much.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:10
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's a class issue. I have a graduate degree from a fancy school and grew up in a wealthy area, so I know a lot of UMC folks pretty well. But, my parents did not go to college, worked blue collar jobs, and were not into the whole UMC social scene. As a result, I know lots of people who are not "well educated" but read plenty, have diverse interests, and can hold their own in an intellectual conversation. They just did not go to college and do not work professional jobs. I also know lots of UMC women who would never consider dating any of those people, because they are not "well educated." The women will say it's about "ability to hold a conversation," but either they are ignorant or they are not being honest; plenty of these folks can hold a conversation. Instead, it really seems that they want someone who will fit in with their family and friends and is not too different. This is a class issue.
+1
It is also a class issue in that there are SO many social climbers, in this geographical area, especially. It is sad to see in action. I would want a guy who could see through this.
What’s the difference between a “social climber” and someone moving up in SES successfully though their profession? Or are they the same?
What makes a social climber a social climber? The attitude and incessant social engineering and butt kissing? Or having a good job, kids in private school and/or joining a recreation/golf club for sports and classes and community?
Agree wholeheartedly with this. Calling someone a social climber is not the insult so many people think it is.
Why would someone not want to move up in life???
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:08
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a proxy for income. I have a PhD, and my friends from grad school make $150-400k.
I disagree. Income, earning potential, and well-educated are separate criteria that happen to overlap in some but not all ways.
There is plenty of data to show that income peaks with a BS degree and actually declines with higher degrees.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 13:03
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:I think it's a class issue. I have a graduate degree from a fancy school and grew up in a wealthy area, so I know a lot of UMC folks pretty well. But, my parents did not go to college, worked blue collar jobs, and were not into the whole UMC social scene. As a result, I know lots of people who are not "well educated" but read plenty, have diverse interests, and can hold their own in an intellectual conversation. They just did not go to college and do not work professional jobs. I also know lots of UMC women who would never consider dating any of those people, because they are not "well educated." The women will say it's about "ability to hold a conversation," but either they are ignorant or they are not being honest; plenty of these folks can hold a conversation. Instead, it really seems that they want someone who will fit in with their family and friends and is not too different. This is a class issue.
agree. My father is well educated (masters degree, engineering and math). My mother does not.
My parents are divorced.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:57
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's a proxy for income. I have a PhD, and my friends from grad school make $150-400k.
I've also noticed some foreign cultures (east asian, indian) value graduate education in a man very highly.
I disagree. Income, earning potential, and well-educated are separate criteria that happen to overlap in some but not all ways.
THIS!!!!!!
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:57
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Education is one of the new status symbols. Newer generations are less materialistic but not less status-seeking.
It’s not a symbol. Higher education actually DOES carry higher status.
Ugh. What do you mean, it’s not a symbol? Status is a symbol, it’s not reflecting an objective, tangible thing that you can grasp. It’s something that humans came up with, and therefore is symbolic. We choose things like money, beauty, education as symbols of status, but we could easily have chosen other things. My point is, you say that higher education carries higher status, as if that is some fact of nature. It doesn’t carry higher status any more than any other thing.
Uhm it actually does. A harvard or Stanford educated person is considered an elite in this country.
LOL this isn't true.
I’d rather know your major(s) than your Uni. Oh, and what you’re doing fulltime, if anything.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:56
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Up until this point I was with the OP and didn't put "well-educated" as a must in my own wonderful spouse. However, "Elite" is absolutely fodder for bigotry and extreme bullying and slander. If you don't believe me, just take one look at any of the TJHSST admissions criteria threads. The reason there is so much bonding there is that everyone sticks together to deal with the spews of hatred from those who didn't get in. I met MANY Ivy/Private college rejects at my alma matter (AKA the "Safety" school). Sorry, just because you can contain your jealousy, doesn't mean there aren't lower forms of life who see their own slightly above mediocre abilities as a LICENSE for passive-aggressive abuse. People in the top 2% of education and intelligence are WAY kinder and family oriented than the top 47-49%.
For the trash out there, I am not saying people who are above average without mental disorder level ego problems are not awesome and husband/wife worthy. I am fully calling out the not okay with themselves that think they just needed be more cruel to take out the naturally gifted and they would have made it. Many of them had parents who beat them for not getting As instead of assisting in fundamentals and were at schools+homes where rape and assault were condoned as long as you were at the top of the class rank. Yeah, definitely not husband/wife material.
For the trash out there, I am not saying people who are above average without mental disorder level ego problems are not awesome and husband/wife worthy. I am fully calling out the not okay with themselves that think they just needed be more cruel to take out the naturally gifted and they would have made it. Many of them had parents who beat them for not getting As instead of assisting in fundamentals and were at schools+homes where rape and assault were condoned as long as you were at the top of the class rank. Yeah, definitely not husband/wife material.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:46
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Education is one of the new status symbols. Newer generations are less materialistic but not less status-seeking.
It’s not a symbol. Higher education actually DOES carry higher status.
Ugh. What do you mean, it’s not a symbol? Status is a symbol, it’s not reflecting an objective, tangible thing that you can grasp. It’s something that humans came up with, and therefore is symbolic. We choose things like money, beauty, education as symbols of status, but we could easily have chosen other things. My point is, you say that higher education carries higher status, as if that is some fact of nature. It doesn’t carry higher status any more than any other thing.
Uhm it actually does. A harvard or Stanford educated person is considered an elite in this country.
LOL this isn't true.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:19
Subject: Re:What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider getting a degree from “an Ivy” well-educated.
I think being well informed on many topics well-educated.
I like people that can compliment my weaknesses, like art and music.
I think you mean "complement". Unless you actually do want a compliment for not being well-educated in art and music.
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:17
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Define "intellectual." If you're saying that people who read books should stay away from government, I disagree. I also disagree if you're alluding to "rootless cosmopolitans" (*wink wink*).
Riddle me this: when did loudmouth Twitter activists replace expert and experienced opinions in America?
Today anyone can call themselves an Intellectual. It’s now a meaningless term. Because ppl react more to Twitter than cronkite.
Also, today anyone can call anyone else "intellectual" (or more often "elite.") For the last 30 years, talk radio types have been pocketing big cash calling upper middle class and barely wealthy people "elite" while ignoring the filthy rich.
The whole idea is to stoke resentment by the working classes against the professional classes for fun, profit, and political power. One of the usual tricks is to puff up the value of "street smarts" and denigrate "book smarts."
Anonymous
10/01/2021 12:14
Subject: What is women’s obsession with “well-educated” men?
It's a lazy filter for people who don't want to do the work in getting to know someone. Wait until you meet Ivy Leaguers who refuse to date outside the Ivies + Stanford....