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So will there be an early activity bus? How will that impact ESs? This stuff is crazy. Back to the drawing boaard.

Yeah, basically, anybody who says that there is a simple solution is just wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

So, let's say we flip that around. Give High school and Middle school the last two slots.

High school then gets out at 4:10. So, they START after school sports, jobs, and HW at 4:30?

That's not sustainable for most families, unless you don't value family time at all, or don't value your kid having sports, arts, employment etc . . .

It's a matter of prioritization. No reason kids can't do sports in the morning.

So they go to practice at 7 a.m.? So instead of getting up early for school now they get up early for sports? NO it doesn't work. You obviously don't have kids that play sports.

So will there be an early activity bus? How will that impact ESs? This stuff is crazy. Back to the drawing boaard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

So, let's say we flip that around. Give High school and Middle school the last two slots.

High school then gets out at 4:10. So, they START after school sports, jobs, and HW at 4:30?

That's not sustainable for most families, unless you don't value family time at all, or don't value your kid having sports, arts, employment etc . . .

It's a matter of prioritization. No reason kids can't do sports in the morning.

So they go to practice at 7 a.m.? So instead of getting up early for school now they get up early for sports? NO it doesn't work. You obviously don't have kids that play sports.

So essentially you want all high schoolers to get up early rather than just the ones who play sports?

Many fewer kids would do sports if it was scheduled that way. You would also have fewer coaches. DH was able to coach HS basketball for years only because it was after school.

Plus games would still have to be afterschool even if practices were before school. And many schools in MCPS rent out their gyms at 6 am for adults in the community to exercise. So that’s lost revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

So, let's say we flip that around. Give High school and Middle school the last two slots.

High school then gets out at 4:10. So, they START after school sports, jobs, and HW at 4:30?

That's not sustainable for most families, unless you don't value family time at all, or don't value your kid having sports, arts, employment etc . . .

It's a matter of prioritization. No reason kids can't do sports in the morning.

So they go to practice at 7 a.m.? So instead of getting up early for school now they get up early for sports? NO it doesn't work. You obviously don't have kids that play sports.

So essentially you want all high schoolers to get up early rather than just the ones who play sports?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

I don’t know why the HS and ES times aren’t flipped. We do that in Loudoun County and it’s the best.

Read here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

TL;DR, but I skipped to p. 9 "Start Elementary Schools First" and found the arguments against an early ES start time wanting.

Notwithstanding your personal opinion, the school board had a different opinion.

Sure. But it’s ok to read the report and come to a different conclusion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

So, let's say we flip that around. Give High school and Middle school the last two slots.

High school then gets out at 4:10. So, they START after school sports, jobs, and HW at 4:30?

That's not sustainable for most families, unless you don't value family time at all, or don't value your kid having sports, arts, employment etc . . .

It's a matter of prioritization. No reason kids can't do sports in the morning.

So they go to practice at 7 a.m.? So instead of getting up early for school now they get up early for sports? NO it doesn't work. You obviously don't have kids that play sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Probably includes working parents of young children who’d rather not have to cover another hour of childcare in the afternoon. High school athletes who get home late enough as it is already. High school students with after school jobs. Is that enough imbeciles for you?

Not to mention all of the families that rely on older siblings for childcare. That was a major factor in the 2015 report if I recall correctly. Between older siblings providing care, and kids who needed money from after-school jobs, the later start time was going to have a severe effect on the financial well-being of some of the most vulnerable families in the district.

As a parent of an ES student, I have a hard time following the childcare piece. Our bus does not come until 9am- what parent can wait until 9am to start their commute to work (in normal times)? Most families end up utilizing before AND after care. And are there really that many young kids with teenage siblings to watch them in the afternoon?

I thought it was really more about preserving time for after school jobs and sports. But the trade off is not enough sleep and lower school performance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

I don’t know why the HS and ES times aren’t flipped. We do that in Loudoun County and it’s the best.

Read here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

TL;DR, but I skipped to p. 9 "Start Elementary Schools First" and found the arguments against an early ES start time wanting.

Notwithstanding your personal opinion, the school board had a different opinion.

Seems like there's no perfect answer but I feel the board made the best choices under the circumstances.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

I don’t know why the HS and ES times aren’t flipped. We do that in Loudoun County and it’s the best.

Read here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

TL;DR, but I skipped to p. 9 "Start Elementary Schools First" and found the arguments against an early ES start time wanting.

Notwithstanding your personal opinion, the school board had a different opinion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

I don’t know why the HS and ES times aren’t flipped. We do that in Loudoun County and it’s the best.

Read here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

TL;DR, but I skipped to p. 9 "Start Elementary Schools First" and found the arguments against an early ES start time wanting.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. I thought bell times shifted later years ago. I now have HS and MS kids and don’t remember what the times were pre-Covid. But I definitely think they’re too early now.

They did shift 20 minutes later years ago. I also have HS and MS kids. Don't you remember the big brouhaha when they did it years ago? My kids were in ES at that point, and their bus came at 9 instead of 8:30/8:40.

I think the high school bus used to come around 6:40 but after the switch, started coming around 7.

My children’s HS buses still come at 6:40 and 6:45. I drove one today because it was dark outside and she has to walk past a wooded area to get to the bus stop.

So before the shift, the buses would have come at 6:20 and 6:25.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. I thought bell times shifted later years ago. I now have HS and MS kids and don’t remember what the times were pre-Covid. But I definitely think they’re too early now.

They did shift 20 minutes later years ago. I also have HS and MS kids. Don't you remember the big brouhaha when they did it years ago? My kids were in ES at that point, and their bus came at 9 instead of 8:30/8:40.

I think the high school bus used to come around 6:40 but after the switch, started coming around 7.

My children’s HS buses still come at 6:40 and 6:45. I drove one today because it was dark outside and she has to walk past a wooded area to get to the bus stop.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get it. I thought bell times shifted later years ago. I now have HS and MS kids and don’t remember what the times were pre-Covid. But I definitely think they’re too early now.

They did shift 20 minutes later years ago. I also have HS and MS kids. Don't you remember the big brouhaha when they did it years ago? My kids were in ES at that point, and their bus came at 9 instead of 8:30/8:40.

I think the high school bus used to come around 6:40 but after the switch, started coming around 7.

The CDC focuses on one factor of life; they don't specialize in traffic or the logistics of complicated family schedules. So what you have in your report OP is one data point among many that need to go into figuring our how to run a huge school district with millions of people involved and many moving parts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, ladies, enough already. The science is in:

https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/features/schools-start-too-early.html

This staggering of start times is 100% bass-ackwards.

Board of Education Approves Later School Start Times
Level Time Length of Day
High School 7:45 a.m.–2:30 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Middle School 8:15 a.m.–3:00 p.m. 6 hours, 45 minutes
Elementary School Tier 1 9:00 a.m.–3:25 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes
Elementary School Tier 2 9:25 a.m.–3:50 p.m. 6 hours, 25 minutes

I don’t know why the HS and ES times aren’t flipped. We do that in Loudoun County and it’s the best.

Read here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/Bell%20Times%20Analysis%20Addl%20Options%20Jan2015.pdf

Because the same argument your making for HS kids is true for ES kids. THey also need sleep.