Anonymous
10/12/2021 19:21
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
In this case, the young black men are doing an anti-social thing. We need to stop tolerating misbehavior, no matter who is perpetrating it.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 14:56
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s funny (and by funny I mean pathetic) that this whole ATV thing is just racist code-language for newly arrived white people to complain about seeing young Black men on “their” block.
All of you are racist AF.
My spouse and I have been here 20+ years. We are not white.
We still find the ATVs to be a danger to public safety. Including to non-white people like us. There is nothing racist about wanting to be safe in our city.
We have no problem seeing young Black men on our block.
Please stop stereotyping, reaching unsubstantiated conclusions, and calling people names. Doing so makes you quite similar to the racists you are decrying.
“We are not white” means that you cannot be racist?
Not at all.
We are not white was in response to the claim that only "newly arrived white people" are concerned about ATVs.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 14:45
Subject: Re:Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
IT IS ILLEGAL
So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.
Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.
To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.
Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.
2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.
A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk
So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.
Then that should be all the proof you need to realize that bikes shouldn’t be required to follow traffic laws for cars.
If 41% of cyclists aren’t obeying laws, then those are stupid laws. That’s why they’re not being obeyed. Because you can’t expect people to obey stupid laws. And cyclists tend to be more intelligent than the statistical mean, and the more intelligent a group is, the more likely it is capable of reason, and the less likely that group is to follow rules that don’t make sense.
“Intelligent”
LOL
Anonymous
10/12/2021 14:44
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s funny (and by funny I mean pathetic) that this whole ATV thing is just racist code-language for newly arrived white people to complain about seeing young Black men on “their” block.
All of you are racist AF.
My spouse and I have been here 20+ years. We are not white.
We still find the ATVs to be a danger to public safety. Including to non-white people like us. There is nothing racist about wanting to be safe in our city.
We have no problem seeing young Black men on our block.
Please stop stereotyping, reaching unsubstantiated conclusions, and calling people names. Doing so makes you quite similar to the racists you are decrying.
“We are not white” means that you cannot be racist?
Anonymous
10/12/2021 14:39
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:It’s funny (and by funny I mean pathetic) that this whole ATV thing is just racist code-language for newly arrived white people to complain about seeing young Black men on “their” block.
All of you are racist AF.
My spouse and I have been here 20+ years. We are not white.
We still find the ATVs to be a danger to public safety. Including to non-white people like us. There is nothing racist about wanting to be safe in our city.
We have no problem seeing young Black men on our block.
Please stop stereotyping, reaching unsubstantiated conclusions, and calling people names. Doing so makes you quite similar to the racists you are decrying.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 13:58
Subject: Re:Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
IT IS ILLEGAL
So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.
Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.
To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.
Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.
2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.
A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk
So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.
Then that should be all the proof you need to realize that bikes shouldn’t be required to follow traffic laws for cars.
If 41% of cyclists aren’t obeying laws, then those are stupid laws. That’s why they’re not being obeyed. Because you can’t expect people to obey stupid laws. And cyclists tend to be more intelligent than the statistical mean, and the more intelligent a group is, the more likely it is capable of reason, and the less likely that group is to follow rules that don’t make sense.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 13:53
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
It’s funny (and by funny I mean pathetic) that this whole ATV thing is just racist code-language for newly arrived white people to complain about seeing young Black men on “their” block.
All of you are racist AF.
All of you are racist AF.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 13:45
Subject: Re:Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?
You tell me?
People killed by ATV operators in DC last year: 0
People killed by bicyclists in DC last year: 0
People killed by car drivers in DC last year: 37 (some of these were drivers in single-car fatal crashes)
People killed by heart disease in DC last year: 1284
People killed by cancer last year in DC: 1020
People killed by stroke last year in DC: 246
People killed by homicide last year in DC: 200
Yes, those are also important public-policy issues.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 12:12
Subject: Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes
At this point, I'd be fine if the city would let them do a parade every Sunday during the summer for purposes of harm reduction.
Have it be a pre-defined route, give them a police escort, have the kids get tags on their vehicles, have an ambulance trail the pack in case of any injuries.
The pack of vehicles move quickly enough that it really wouldn't affect traffic all that much.
Have it be a pre-defined route, give them a police escort, have the kids get tags on their vehicles, have an ambulance trail the pack in case of any injuries.
The pack of vehicles move quickly enough that it really wouldn't affect traffic all that much.