As an adoptive mom my heart bleeds for Caitlyn and tyler. I don't have any good answers. Yes, giving up Carly probably destroyed her. Yes, if they raised Carly she probably wouldn't have the quality of life she has with her adoptive parents. I also don't think they are good parents to Nova so it's hard for me to think they would have been better parents 8 years ago. I think they had terriblely traumatic childhoods and their DNA had so much addictive tendencies that they never had much of a chance. Even when you give people tools (in this case the tool is money) it doesn't mean they know how to build.

Anyone watch this week's episode?

Anonymous wrote:This is the only country where anyone would think of making a show about teen moms. Just weird.

There’s a UK version as well.

This is the only country where anyone would think of making a show about teen moms. Just weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Money was raised for them to go to college, and then they chose not to go. They could have been completely self-sufficient by now. Too bad.

Ding ding. This plus they’ve been making mid six figures for almost a decade. In-state college would have been peanuts and Michigan has a ton of good options. They could have set themselves up for life if they had someone who was really in their corner advising them.

Or if they were using their own head

Their own heads are completely backwards because of the effed up environments in which they grew up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Money was raised for them to go to college, and then they chose not to go. They could have been completely self-sufficient by now. Too bad.

Ding ding. This plus they’ve been making mid six figures for almost a decade. In-state college would have been peanuts and Michigan has a ton of good options. They could have set themselves up for life if they had someone who was really in their corner advising them.

Or if they were using their own head

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Money was raised for them to go to college, and then they chose not to go. They could have been completely self-sufficient by now. Too bad.

Ding ding. This plus they’ve been making mid six figures for almost a decade. In-state college would have been peanuts and Michigan has a ton of good options. They could have set themselves up for life if they had someone who was really in their corner advising them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Money was raised for them to go to college, and then they chose not to go. They could have been completely self-sufficient by now. Too bad.

People who squander the little opportunities that they have make me sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Money was raised for them to go to college, and then they chose not to go. They could have been completely self-sufficient by now. Too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

They have that children's clothing line they could really continue to build up. Tyler is actually hands on designing looks too.

It to be fair, the only reason there is any following of the clothing company is because of the show and social media platform. Without it, no chance they’d sell even enough to cover costs.

Agreed. It’s not merchandised in a single store. It’s essentially an Etsy store.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

They have that children's clothing line they could really continue to build up. Tyler is actually hands on designing looks too.

It to be fair, the only reason there is any following of the clothing company is because of the show and social media platform. Without it, no chance they’d sell even enough to cover costs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

They have that children's clothing line they could really continue to build up. Tyler is actually hands on designing looks too.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place:

Leave and try to heal and move on, and have no income. They aren’t college educated nor do they have any real job skills.

Stay and keep steady income coming in, but incur mental deterioration from the constant reminders.

Coming from a poor background, what do you think they are likely to do? Especially now with two mouths to feed?

Anonymous wrote:I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic

Entirely possible. But would it have messed her up for life if they hadn’t had TV producers asking them questions about it and provoking discussion of it constantly for eight years?

I think the adoption messed her up for life. It looks like delayed grief.
They should split as the relationship is toxic