So you'd rather spend your limited time and energy fighting against something that is unrelated to the real problem, instead of fighting in favor of something that would fix the real problem. Well, ok.

You just admitted that CC is unrelated to the real problem.

^ Oh, yeah, that girl is reading below grade level. She won't pass the standardized test.

So you'd rather spend your limited time and energy fighting against something that is unrelated to the real problem, instead of fighting in favor of something that would fix the real problem. Well, ok.

You don't understand. We are fighting against something that is going to make schools WORSE. The real problems we deal with in whatever ways we can every day. We have all bought kids food or brought clothes for them or called social services (I know I have). Have you ever had to look at a kid whose teeth were knocked out by her mother? I doubt you have. I have.

The standards are not what we need. We need more teachers, lower class sizes, and people who care about kids. We DO NOT NEED another test attached to different standards.

Thank you for listening.

Anonymous wrote:

Do you have data to support your assertion that the parents whose kids are performing the worst are the ones who are not working at all?

Direct anecdotal experience.

No, that doesn't count.

Anonymous wrote:

So why are you fighting against the Common Core standards, instead of in favor of whateveritis that will make those parents raise their kids more responsibly? (What do you think would make those parents raise their kids more responsibly?)

1. Money pit.
2. Developmentally inappropriate.
3. Tied to testing.

So you'd rather spend your limited time and energy fighting against something that is unrelated to the real problem, instead of fighting in favor of something that would fix the real problem. Well, ok.

So why are you fighting against the Common Core standards, instead of in favor of whateveritis that will make those parents raise their kids more responsibly? (What do you think would make those parents raise their kids more responsibly?)


1. Money pit.
2. Developmentally inappropriate.
3. Tied to testing.

+1000 I believe that the vast majority of teachers would agree with this as well. This whole effort is demoralizing teachers . . . again. There are not easy solutions unfortunately. However, there are some bad or totally off the path solutions and CC is one of those. Why go down the wrong path at all?

Do you have data to support your assertion that the parents whose kids are performing the worst are the ones who are not working at all?

Direct anecdotal experience.

So why are you fighting against the Common Core standards, instead of in favor of whateveritis that will make those parents raise their kids more responsibly? (What do you think would make those parents raise their kids more responsibly?)

1. Money pit.
2. Developmentally inappropriate.
3. Tied to testing.

Anonymous wrote:

1. Fighting for high-quality, affordable daycare.
2. Fighting against the Common Core standards.

Neither of these is going to make parents raise their kids responsibly. The parents whose kids are performing the worst are the ones who are not working at all. The ones who are doing drugs, etc.

Do you have data to support your assertion that the parents whose kids are performing the worst are the ones who are not working at all?

And, as you say, fighting the Common Core standards is not going to make those parents raise their kids more responsibly. So why are you fighting against the Common Core standards, instead of in favor of whateveritis that will make those parents raise their kids more responsibly? (What do you think would make those parents raise their kids more responsibly?)

Anonymous wrote:

And yes, I agree that most of the big problems come from poverty. But the odds of the government doing something to fix those big problems are very, very low. So what's left? Fiddling around on the margins with things like the Common Core standards. And even that seems to more than we, as a society, are able to accomplish

Because, we know that those standards are just a money pit. They are just a way for some politicians to say they are doing something about "the big non- problem" (which appears to be inconsistent standards across states). How can we justify paying for this malarkey?

How much money?

And which standards, specifically, are malarkey -- or are standards in general malarkey?

And yes, I agree that most of the big problems come from poverty. But the odds of the government doing something to fix those big problems are very, very low. So what's left? Fiddling around on the margins with things like the Common Core standards. And even that seems to more than we, as a society, are able to accomplish

Because, we know that those standards are just a money pit. They are just a way for some politicians to say they are doing something about "the big non- problem" (which appears to be inconsistent standards across states). How can we justify paying for this malarkey?

1. Fighting for high-quality, affordable daycare.
2. Fighting against the Common Core standards.

Neither of these is going to make parents raise their kids responsibly. The parents whose kids are performing the worst are the ones who are not working at all. The ones who are doing drugs, etc.

Anonymous wrote:

I think it's pretty clear that there are big problems with education in the US.

It's not "education" that's the problem. It's the lack of social/family supports for children. The teachers are working harder than ever, but can't compensate for things beyond their control.

You don't get it.

I'm not blaming the teachers.

And yes, I agree that most of the big problems come from poverty. But the odds of the government doing something to fix those big problems are very, very low. So what's left? Fiddling around on the margins with things like the Common Core standards. And even that seems to more than we, as a society, are able to accomplish.

Anonymous wrote:

I think it's pretty clear that there are big problems with education in the US.

And I think it's pretty clear that there is a lot that is good about education in the US.

Agreed. It's not one or the other. There are aspects of education in the US that are good, and there are aspects of education in the US that are not good.

I think it's pretty clear that there are big problems with education in the US.

It's not "education" that's the problem. It's the lack of social/family supports for children. The teachers are working harder than ever, but can't compensate for things beyond their control.

You don't get it.