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"I would never want to ruin a man's career just because a woman I find annoying said he behaved inappropriately! Besides, she's ugly and fat and annoying in interviews and could have just quit and no one would want their face between her legs anyway but I'm NOT SEXIST why would you SAY that I'm a FEMINIST?!"

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus guys, we've moved to post partum mom shaming. Y'all are SHAMELESS

Dp, but tbf, it was her wardrobe choices rather than her postpartum body that made her look horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus guys, we've moved to post partum mom shaming. Y'all are SHAMELESS

Dp, but tbf, it was her wardrobe choices rather than her postpartum body that made her look horrible.

This. Holy moly the poster you are trying to speak to is crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus guys, we've moved to post partum mom shaming. Y'all are SHAMELESS

Dp, but tbf, it was her wardrobe choices rather than her postpartum body that made her look horrible.

Anonymous wrote:Jesus guys, we've moved to post partum mom shaming. Y'all are SHAMELESS

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Anonymous wrote:I just think it’s sad that Blake has worked or cavorted with literal predators before — Woody Allen, Terry Richardson for a GQ shoot, Harvey Weinstein — yet she goes after a man who bends over backwards for her just because he isn’t an A-lister.

+100000 Agree

This is such the essential point for me.

My theory is that she wanted a Barbenheimer moment, and that is why her husband got involved. They thought they’d slap together Deadpool and this movie and own August. She and her husband are scum bags and are lazy about doing difficult tasks like creatively developing projects.

Why are you like this? You're ruining the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly think a good deal of the issue here was Blake’s own discomfort with her post partum body, which she projected onto others. She probably should not have agreed to be in a film so close to when she gave birth.

Yes. That’s why she spun out when the photos of her in character got criticized. She looked awful and it got her in her feelings.

Anonymous wrote:I honestly think a good deal of the issue here was Blake’s own discomfort with her post partum body, which she projected onto others. She probably should not have agreed to be in a film so close to when she gave birth.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

SEXISM ALERT SEXISM ALERT

How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

Just keep blaming the woman. You haven't used, 'she asked for it with what she was wearing' yet, you should fit that in somewhere

They were all playing roles. This was not real life. Not really understanding what the issue is here with Blake.

It was all real life. It was real life when Baldoni and Heath (as director and producer on the movie and not in character while filming a scene) pressured Lively to do a birth scene nude by showing her a video of Heath's own wife naked after the birth of their child and telling it's "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth. That was real life, not a scene someone acted out.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was real life harassment I would be more sympathetic. This was perceived harassment within a film, these were actors. Lively was acting a part, Baldino was acting a part. This is SH within a fantasy.

This does not make sense. A film set is a real place. Most of the alleged harassment happened outside of scenes they were filming together. You sound like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lively is alleging "real life harassment."

+1000. What is your answer for them talking to her about their p*rn consumption habits and the guy barging into her trailer demanding to talk to her when she was topless?

She asked for it? That's what acting is?

Her door locked, no?

Yeah so all you “feminists” who just don’t see Blake’s position. Are you still around? Do these comments bother you?

Not one bit. BL has lied so much which is verified through video and text, I’d have to see hard proof before I believe her enough to destroy this Heath guy’s career.

False catastrophizing the man’s career is never ruined.

And just fyi you don’t have to believe her or hate him to recognize harmful sexist tropes. If the case is solid you can defend them without resorting to this trash

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

SEXISM ALERT SEXISM ALERT

How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

Just keep blaming the woman. You haven't used, 'she asked for it with what she was wearing' yet, you should fit that in somewhere

They were all playing roles. This was not real life. Not really understanding what the issue is here with Blake.

It was all real life. It was real life when Baldoni and Heath (as director and producer on the movie and not in character while filming a scene) pressured Lively to do a birth scene nude by showing her a video of Heath's own wife naked after the birth of their child and telling it's "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth. That was real life, not a scene someone acted out.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

SEXISM ALERT SEXISM ALERT

How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

Just keep blaming the woman. You haven't used, 'she asked for it with what she was wearing' yet, you should fit that in somewhere

They were all playing roles. This was not real life. Not really understanding what the issue is here with Blake.

It was all real life. It was real life when Baldoni and Heath (as director and producer on the movie and not in character while filming a scene) pressured Lively to do a birth scene nude by showing her a video of Heath's own wife naked after the birth of their child and telling it's "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth. That was real life, not a scene someone acted out.

Ok so? So why didn’t she tell them she was offended and quit the production at that point?

She has contractual obligations to the movie. Plus if she leaves the production she may lose her fee for the months of work she'd put in at that point, it could cost a bunch of other people jobs. And could torpedo a movie that she may genuinely have cared about.

She wasn't working at a McDonalds.