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Anonymous wrote:The Moment When Vance Dodged a Jan. 6 Question but Said Plenty

JD Vance sailed fairly smoothly through some 90 minutes of Tuesday’s debate with Tim Walz. Then the subject turned to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/vance-jan-6-debate.html

This! This was the only question and response that really mattered in the whole debate. Vance refused to address the question of whether Trump lost the 2020 election. What else do you need to know about him?

Here's the exchange:

Walz then reminded Vance that Trump still refuses to concede he lost the election and asked Vance directly: "Did he lose the 2020 election?"

"Tim, I'm focused on the future," Vance responded. "Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?"

"That is a damning non-answer," Walz said.

Agree. Walz landed the only knock-out punch of the entire otherwise boring debate. The one moment that will go viral.

Vance looked super slick but dodged all the hard issues, and doubled-down on the pet-eating story.

Walz struggled but his sincerity was apparent.

So naturally, people think Vance won. And they even like him more.

Aren't voters dumb?

Climate change
Amid the devastating damage from Hurricane Helene, both were asked if climate change was contributing to such extreme weather events. Walz emphatically said climate change was "real" while Vance expressed skepticism about "weird science," stating carbon emissions were contributing to the climate crisis.

Health care,
Vance was pressed on Trump's comment that he only had "concepts of a plan" to replace the Affordable Care Act and how their administration would protect people with preexisting conditions.

He also distorted many of Trump's actions on the ACA and claimed Trump made the law stronger, which he actually tried to kill twice but failed thanks to the late great John McCain.

Housing crisis
Walz was asked about Harris' plan to build three million new homes (which he argued would not drive up prices and would lead to generational wealth) and whether he believed it was likely Congress would agree to her proposal for an enhanced Child Tax Credit. He said both high housing and child care costs were the biggest burdens on American families.

Abortion
Vance claimed that he never supported a national abortion ban, despite previously signaling support for a bill introduced by Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham that would ban abortion after 15 weeks nationwide.

Walz spoke about the women whose health has been negatively impacted by state-level restrictions since the fall of Roe v. Wade. Walz blamed Trump for the Supreme Court nominations he said "put this all into motion."


Groundhog Day Jan 6

Vance refused to say if he will accept election, doesn't condemn Jan. 6

Near end, Vance was asked if he would seek to challenge the 2024 election even if every governor certified the results. However, the senator sidestepped the question and pivoted to what he claimed was Harris and tech companies censoring people. He also brought up the endorsements of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard.

Walz said he was troubled by Vance's statement and said such denials needed to come to an end.
"Here we are, four years later, in the same boat. I will tell you, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart.”

Amen Gov Walz

https://apple.news/AWaCpHbXDQ_606DUDARVptQ

Anonymous wrote:Visually, Vance looked better and was calmer than Walz. Waltz is folksy and relatable but the split screen visual did go in Vance’s favor with Walz appearing sweaty and anxious. Remember, younger generations know all about social media and how to look better, sound better and be insta ready angled.

The age difference did show just as with Trump vs Harris. Look as far back at Kennedy vs Nixon. There is a lesson to be learned about how to present yourself and how others will view you. Calm means you are winning.

Polls are mostly coming out tied or split even. But the two groups Walz is consistently winning are: 1) independents and 2) 25 and under (young people). Vance seems to have slight edge only with over 55 without a college degrees. It seems like style over substance might win over the less educated and older crowd, versus the younger people generations.

Anonymous wrote:The Moment When Vance Dodged a Jan. 6 Question but Said Plenty

JD Vance sailed fairly smoothly through some 90 minutes of Tuesday’s debate with Tim Walz. Then the subject turned to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/vance-jan-6-debate.html

This! This was the only question and response that really mattered in the whole debate. Vance refused to address the question of whether Trump lost the 2020 election. What else do you need to know about him?

Here's the exchange:

Walz then reminded Vance that Trump still refuses to concede he lost the election and asked Vance directly: "Did he lose the 2020 election?"

"Tim, I'm focused on the future," Vance responded. "Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?"

"That is a damning non-answer," Walz said.

Anonymous wrote:Visually, Vance looked better and was calmer than Walz. Waltz is folksy and relatable but the split screen visual did go in Vance’s favor with Walz appearing sweaty and anxious. Remember, younger generations know all about social media and how to look better, sound better and be insta ready angled.

The age difference did show just as with Trump vs Harris. Look as far back at Kennedy vs Nixon. There is a lesson to be learned about how to present yourself and how others will view you. Calm means you are winning.

Anonymous wrote:Visually, Vance looked better and was calmer than Walz. Waltz is folksy and relatable but the split screen visual did go in Vance’s favor with Walz appearing sweaty and anxious. Remember, younger generations know all about social media and how to look better, sound better and be insta ready angled.

The age difference did show just as with Trump vs Harris. Look as far back at Kennedy vs Nixon. There is a lesson to be learned about how to present yourself and how others will view you. Calm means you are winning.

None of this will matter in a week. Trump is still at the top of the ticket and Vance wrote the forward to Project 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:My debate coach used to have us debate And one side got to completely make up facts..... It was funny how easy it is to debate when truth and statistics and information that you say really does not matter. It was to prepare us for teams that were slick and fast talkers.
I think Tim maybe needed a little more prep, but let's be honest there was no way he was going to win when it does not matter what the other side says. Jd didn't even have to prep. He could just literally make up whatever he wanted in the moment based on what Tim said and know that it does not matter at all to his voters

Walz is too old and too politically experienced to act like a nervous wreck during a single debate.

He was a senior enlisted leader in the US military and a football coach, but was in shambles last night. Something isn’t right about that.

Any man that doesn’t act like a toxic frat bro and bully people is “in shambles” for MAGA.

Vance didn’t act like a toxic frat bro.

Walz called himself a knucklehead. What a joke. Why would anyone vote for a self described knucklehead?

People with humility. Very typical for a Minnesotan.

Being humble is great, admitting you are an idiot is not great.

Nobody running for VP should have to explain their lies and misstatements as occurring because they are a knucklehead. That’s ridiculous.

Walz admitted he’s not fit for office. It’s embarrassing.

He misspoke. Not that big of a deal when compared to the garbage statements coming out of Trump and Vance.

Republicans don't actually care about lying, they just don't want their leaders to admit it. Vance lied all night. He was even caught on camera for lying and calling Haitian immigrants ILLEGALS when they are in Springfield on legal visas.

Visually, Vance looked better and was calmer than Walz. Waltz is folksy and relatable but the split screen visual did go in Vance’s favor with Walz appearing sweaty and anxious. Remember, younger generations know all about social media and how to look better, sound better and be insta ready angled.

The age difference did show just as with Trump vs Harris. Look as far back at Kennedy vs Nixon. There is a lesson to be learned about how to present yourself and how others will view you. Calm means you are winning.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Waltz did a great job. Public speaking does not come easy to everyone and that's ok. Vance being able to tell repeated lies with a straight face does not mean he is better prepared for the position. He's just better at being a BS artist.

I think this moment is going to haunt him - whiny little b**ch who wants to be able to lie without anyone calling him on it

Dishonest spin, and embarrassing and shameful for Kamala to post that. Vance's next statement was to fact-check their fact-check, while the moderators, who are not running for office, talked over Vance (and also Walz) and cut off their mics to prevent them from stating facts and having a debate.
CBS literally stifled debate when both candidatees tried to debate the issue that million of voters are deeply concerned about.

But hey, it's a fun sound byte! Who cares about truth?

What "truth" are you talking about? What was not truthful about the post from Kamala HQ?

Exactly. Her post was correct and JD Vance was caught and rebuked on camera for lying. This Vance fan is just having a hard time processing her boy was wrong here.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone wondering why the debate moderators didn’t talk about:

-the military service records of either candidate?

-the two assassination attempts on Trump’s life?

Why were those topics not covered?

Nobody cares.

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Anonymous wrote:My debate coach used to have us debate And one side got to completely make up facts..... It was funny how easy it is to debate when truth and statistics and information that you say really does not matter. It was to prepare us for teams that were slick and fast talkers.
I think Tim maybe needed a little more prep, but let's be honest there was no way he was going to win when it does not matter what the other side says. Jd didn't even have to prep. He could just literally make up whatever he wanted in the moment based on what Tim said and know that it does not matter at all to his voters

Walz is too old and too politically experienced to act like a nervous wreck during a single debate.

He was a senior enlisted leader in the US military and a football coach, but was in shambles last night. Something isn’t right about that.

Any man that doesn’t act like a toxic frat bro and bully people is “in shambles” for MAGA.

Vance didn’t act like a toxic frat bro.

Walz called himself a knucklehead. What a joke. Why would anyone vote for a self described knucklehead?

People with humility. Very typical for a Minnesotan.

Being humble is great, admitting you are an idiot is not great.

Nobody running for VP should have to explain their lies and misstatements as occurring because they are a knucklehead. That’s ridiculous.

Walz admitted he’s not fit for office. It’s embarrassing.

He misspoke. Not that big of a deal when compared to the garbage statements coming out of Trump and Vance.

Anonymous wrote:I think Harris will win. I'm not really excited about that but I can't imagine Trump.

I still feel both are equally bad for different reasons. It's nothing to be proud of. Y'all who suggest Walz did great last night weren't actually watching objectively. You love him and are Dems but objectively, his performance was not impressive for the high profile event this was. You can say Vance's policies suck and he's a slimy imbicile but his performance was objectively better.

I think that it's about 2028. Nobody wins for the next 4 years - these people are all fools. Harris will drive us all to the ground but yes, for whatever it's worth I suppose she's better than Trump/Vance.

I don't disagree with much of this. My main problem with Harris/Walz is that they are fundamentally unknown quantities. Walz does have some substantive policy achievements in MN, which gives me a little hope. Together with the fact that Dems historically have been stronger on more issues I care about, including turning around terrible economies they inherited, women's rights, worker's rights, climate change etc.

Both sides spin so much, I'm not always clear on what they actually believe in. Vance is the king of spin, as he made clear last night in his effort to whitewash Trump and the MAGA platform. So, yes, anything is better than Trump/Vance. Their constant stream of lies, allegiance to the interests of the 1%, misogyny, and disinterest in protecting democracy are disqualifying. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:What were the actual policy points that JD laid out last night.... Like what is his position on who won the 2020 election on affordable child care on affordable healthcare??

Go replay it or read the transcript, he was very clear and articulate.

All I got was he is married to A nice looking woman and child care is a young woman issue

And how many times did he mention his beautiful family and his three beautiful children? I almost threw something at the screen. Especially how he slid over the issue of gun control and kids being in danger at school. His three beautiful children I'm sure have no such worries in their wealthy bubble.

Why would anyone who has children in private schools worry about it? I am a first generation immigrant and both my children are in elite private school in suburban DC. Vance wants every parents have a choice to put their children to the school of their choice.

If you have the money, you have the choice. Government is not giving $65,000 vouchers per child to send your kid to Potomac or Sidwell. If you’re a Republican, you would protest such a give-away and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Waltz did a great job. Public speaking does not come easy to everyone and that's ok. Vance being able to tell repeated lies with a straight face does not mean he is better prepared for the position. He's just better at being a BS artist.

I think this moment is going to haunt him - whiny little b**ch who wants to be able to lie without anyone calling him on it

Dishonest spin, and embarrassing and shameful for Kamala to post that. Vance's next statement was to fact-check their fact-check, while the moderators, who are not running for office, talked over Vance (and also Walz) and cut off their mics to prevent them from stating facts and having a debate.
CBS literally stifled debate when both candidatees tried to debate the issue that million of voters are deeply concerned about.

But hey, it's a fun sound bite! Who cares about truth?

Vance lied a lot. If he stopped lying, he would have other problems.

Exactly. And he was whining and looked guilty when he complained to the teachers that he didn't expect to be fact-checked on his lies.