16:11, could you please explain why you are wondering this? do you think an ADHD/GT child is going to distract a "normal" GT child, or is there some other reason for your (seemingly idiotic) question?

lol....

Anonymous wrote:I begin to wonder if it is wise to let "normal" (aka no ADHD, etc) GT kids to sit side by side in the same class room with those that have those conditions. your thought?

No, it's a terrible idea, as ADHD and other such conditions are highly contagious.

A**hole.

Anonymous wrote:I begin to wonder if it is wise to let "normal" (aka no ADHD, etc) GT kids to sit side by side in the same class room with those that have those conditions. your thought?

Absolutely -- all the kids with glasses, go sit in another class. We don't want "those" kids sitting next to the "normal" kids.

Anonymous wrote:I agree -- most kids with decent WISC got accepted through appeal process, given what I have heard from my friends. somehow, the WISC is the key to the success!!!!!!!!

that's not an obvious inference to make - there is selection bias for those parents who choose to spend the $430 on wisc - they are the ones who probably have a good idea their kids are qualified - plus they receive the results themselves and then submit - so there may be lots of parents who have low wisc and don't appeal - we don't get that number from the county - so we don't know if the wisc itself is the ticket or that only high-wisc resulting kids are sent in as appeal cases

I begin to wonder if it is wise to let "normal" (aka no ADHD, etc) GT kids to sit side by side in the same class room with those that have those conditions. your thought?

I used to believe this too, 11:06, but no more. The doctor who administered the WISC to our son (also ADHD) has been doing this for 20 years and told us that it's 100% a "numbers game" even on appeal . . . the letters of recommendation and work samples are only there to make the parents feel they had some input, but only the "big three" actually matter (test scores, GBRS, and grades). By the way, a WISC of 132 is high enough for you to win the numbers game. Ours had a 130 and got in on appeal. Congrats!

Has anyone thought that they look at the whole child, and not the numbers? We did have to appeal - but that was b/c all they do is look at numbers the first time around. On appeal, the committee looks at the kids from a different standpoint. My DD has ADHD. Her WISC was great - 132, but the COGAT was horrible b/c it was timed, and the GBRS was lousy too. We had letters of commendation, some art, activities (she plays guitar, tae kwon do, and ran a 5K this year), and we wrote a letter explaining the situation behind her scores. We won the appeal based on this information, not scores (obviously). So, for those focused on future submissions, take into account your whole child, not just the scores. Like the one lady asking about the art projects - YES, put them in, and other activities - take pictures, and get letters written, it makes a difference!

i think what this tells us is that the county does not really trust the results of the CogAT/NNAT, but does trust the results of WISC. From what I can see, some kids just do well on the standardized test.

GBRS in theory is integrated over time, and if done properly, can be good. The county puts more weight in GBRS that CogAT or NNAT, but not WISC.

My DD got in last year (2010) based on a strong GBRS. At the end of one year in AAP, she is having problems in math, but doing great in everything else. ANd the porblem in math seems to result from being sick much of march.

Anonymous wrote:I can't wait for my 99th percentile WISC appeal kid to beat the pants off of troll's 86th percentile CogAT kid (who got in on first round because Mama Troll was willing to kiss teacher's butt to beat the GBRS system).

Again look at these avearage scores from accepted students (2005 official data by the County).
NNAT; 129
CogAT: 119, 126, 121.

I was very surpised by these mediocre numbers.
In fact these number were enhanced by the scores from successful appeal kids.
Most of them got good scores, but not so good GBRS.
So the average scores of te first round accepted kids should be even less than that.

I can't wait for my 99th percentile WISC appeal kid to beat the pants off of troll's 86th percentile CogAT kid (who got in on first round because Mama Troll was willing to kiss teacher's butt to beat the GBRS system).

Trolls should know that beating the system would be doing things like talking about how to score better.

Great to see you guys are still trading tips on how to beat the system.

I strongly believe GBRS is biased! My DD had excellent score in NNAT n COGAT, was in pool, a straight O student. Polite and very friendly kid.. But with a poor GBRS , didn't get it! Glad I learned about WISC, which she scored in 99 percentile and got accepted! For couple hrs, I started doubting whether she really doesn't have any gifted behavior , just coz of the GBRS...

I would recommend, no matter what's the NNAT/cogat/GBRS is, for your self satisfaction measure your child's ability by WISC.

And who then supplied new information and were accepted.

I'm a bit tired of the Troll.