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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

He described it. That’s legally the same as showing it.

What about the other people in the room? The woman who kept laughing. Who was that? And can't she be called as a witness? And whomever recorded the audio -- can't that person be called as a witness. They can testify as to what they saw Trump holding and showing them.

“We won’t ruin your life if you just say this” (judgeship)

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

Wow. I’m impressed. Do you understand that part of this exchange was in his indictment? That means witnesses have testified to the Grand Jury about the classification of the papers they were shown. Have you bothered to read the indictment? It’s about eighth grade reading level so you should at least try.

Sadly, the average Trumpster reads at a fifth-grade level.

I enjoy juvenile insults as much as the next person, but the point is, no, not a one of these Trumpets has bothered to read the indictment. On the one hand, I get it. Legalese is usually pretty dull and for us non lawyers it can be pretty opaque, but that’s not why they’re not reading it. They’re not reading it so that they can continue to believe the lies they like. It’s the same reason they don’t read the stories about women dying for want of a simple and safe abortion. It’s the same reason they don’t actually ever listen to or watch anything that would confirm that global warming is real, serious and caused by us.

But trumpets if you are reading my post, go read the indictment. You cannot pretend to be a person of intelligence and patriotism and remain in ignorance.

New talking points

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

Wow. I’m impressed. Do you understand that part of this exchange was in his indictment? That means witnesses have testified to the Grand Jury about the classification of the papers they were shown. Have you bothered to read the indictment? It’s about eighth grade reading level so you should at least try.

I love how the defense of Trump is now that he was probably lying on the tape.

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Anonymous wrote:The leaking of the tape is prosecutor misconduct.

Ahem.

Was waiting for the attacks against Meadows, but was expecting it in verbal form.

These people are as dumb as we’ve been saying if they’ve just figured out Meadows is cooperating. There was good evidence in April 2022 that Meadows was meeting with DOJ. Trump’s henchmen are coming close to witness tampering.

Nope, they didn't know until they got the list of witnesses. Trump doesn't understand in your face subtleties like every signed affidavit memorializing Trump's incriminating recorded statements came from Meadows and his people.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

Wow. I’m impressed. Do you understand that part of this exchange was in his indictment? That means witnesses have testified to the Grand Jury about the classification of the papers they were shown. Have you bothered to read the indictment? It’s about eighth grade reading level so you should at least try.

Sadly, the average Trumpster reads at a fifth-grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

He described it. That’s legally the same as showing it.

What about the other people in the room? The woman who kept laughing. Who was that? And can't she be called as a witness? And whomever recorded the audio -- can't that person be called as a witness. They can testify as to what they saw Trump holding and showing them.

Stormy Daniels?

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

He described it. That’s legally the same as showing it.

What about the other people in the room? The woman who kept laughing. Who was that? And can't she be called as a witness? And whomever recorded the audio -- can't that person be called as a witness. They can testify as to what they saw Trump holding and showing them.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

Wow. I’m impressed. Do you understand that part of this exchange was in his indictment? That means witnesses have testified to the Grand Jury about the classification of the papers they were shown. Have you bothered to read the indictment? It’s about eighth grade reading level so you should at least try.

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Anonymous wrote:The leaking of the tape is prosecutor misconduct.

Ahem.

Was waiting for the attacks against Meadows, but was expecting it in verbal form.

These people are as dumb as we’ve been saying if they’ve just figured out Meadows is cooperating. There was good evidence in April 2022 that Meadows was meeting with DOJ. Trump’s henchmen are coming close to witness tampering.

Anonymous wrote:Nauta was supposed to be arraigned this morning. He didn’t show up and still hasn’t retained local counsel. New date July 6.

If you or I missed court due to “weather,” the judge would lock us up so we would be available on July 6. Normally accused felons don’t jet in at the last minute. This guy’s MOS was as Navy cook so he’s got low intelligence. Typical MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

He described it. That’s legally the same as showing it.

So if he showed a presidential route of his from the past with classified markings, is it still classified?

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

He described it. That’s legally the same as showing it.

So if he showed a presidential route of his from the past with classified markings, is it still classified?

Yes, of course, if it hasn’t been declassified. Even if the route is old news there could be agent names, phone numbers, operational details, etc. in the document that should be redacted.

The standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. So if I’m on a jury, ‘could be’ doesn’t count. Ditto if prosecution shows a heavily redacted document they claim is the same on in an audio tape. I have no idea if it’s the same one or not.

There were other people in the room. They will be called to testify about what was going on in the room at the time. They undoubtedly already have testified to the GJ.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

"He didn't say 'do you have the cocaine," he said 'do you have the stuff!' That stuff could be anything!"

"He didn't say 'I want you to murder Fat Tony,' he said 'I want you to whack Fat Tony,' maybe he just wanted them to smack him!"

"OK fine, he brought condoms to a 10 year olds house and said he 'wanted to make you feel funny down there,' but maybe he was just going to make some silly balloon animals in the basement!"

These are the level of excuses the moron I'm replying to is making.

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Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.

Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.

People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.

Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.

But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.

LOL. No, they don’t. They claim they do. CNN has the exclusive dontchaknow

Hmm...this dude denied the tape existed.

At the time they claimed they did. Now they have a tape which isn’t terribly incriminating. The allegations is that he shared classified information. We can’t see what he showed

People are speculating that he literally showed classified documents to people while this audio recording was made, but that’s not part of the government’s case. He admits on the recording that he has classified documents in his possession that he didn’t declassify and are still classified. The Justice Department has to prove that Trump knowingly retained these documents even after he was ordered to return them. This recording is an admission that he’s doing just that.