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Anonymous wrote:ok, they've addressed Kevin's alcoholism, Rebecca's alzheimers, Little Jack's vision - WHEN are they going to address Kate's obesity?

Well said! This is the glaring problem that is never to be spoken about and I'm sick of it. I would have had so much more respect for the writers (and the actress) if they had shown her going on a gastric bypass journey. She's a beautiful woman, but is morbidly obese and there's no sugarcoating that. As the mother of two young children, her health and safety should be foremost. In real life, doctors AND family members would be pleading with her to have the surgery. At that weight, diet and exercise aren't going to touch the issue.

Have you all watched the whole show? There has been TONS of storyline on this. It was Kate’s entire plot for like two years. She and Toby met at a meeting for people with disordered eating.

But she has not dropped any weight and nobody has had that conversation with her that she will die and leave her children without a mother if she doesn’t lose it. It is the elephant in the room.

It is the elephant in the room.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally watched the episode today. As others have said, Kate would constantly criticize Toby for the way he parented the children. Toby would try to make improvements. But what about Kate? She would break down when Toby criticized her. She would never try to make improvements to her own life. She acted as if she didn't think she need to make any improvements/do anything to save the marriage. It was all on Toby to make the changes.

Her character really did get worse as the show went on. There was no personal growth from her at all.

And Philip - yeah, we needed to see more back story as to what ignited that spark with Kate. From what I remember of his personality in previous seasons, he was kind of a jerk. But to now have him love Kate? Doesn't ring true at all.

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Phillip was shown as being pretty snarky and dismissive of Kate when she first started working at the school. Granted, I now see we're supposed to realized his "crusty" exterior was just a layer of protection over the traumatic loss of his wife, but still. As for the first wife, couldn't the writers simply have said she left him due to the IVF issue - and not that she was then hit by a drunk driver? Honestly, not everything has to be so tragic and dramatic.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, they've addressed Kevin's alcoholism, Rebecca's alzheimers, Little Jack's vision - WHEN are they going to address Kate's obesity?

Well said! This is the glaring problem that is never to be spoken about and I'm sick of it. I would have had so much more respect for the writers (and the actress) if they had shown her going on a gastric bypass journey. She's a beautiful woman, but is morbidly obese and there's no sugarcoating that. As the mother of two young children, her health and safety should be foremost. In real life, doctors AND family members would be pleading with her to have the surgery. At that weight, diet and exercise aren't going to touch the issue.

Have you all watched the whole show? There has been TONS of storyline on this. It was Kate’s entire plot for like two years. She and Toby met at a meeting for people with disordered eating.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always thought the teenage Kate actress bore such a remarkable resemblance to current Kate. This episode really highlighted that to me.

Yes - wonderful casting.

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Anonymous wrote:ok, they've addressed Kevin's alcoholism, Rebecca's alzheimers, Little Jack's vision - WHEN are they going to address Kate's obesity?

Well said! This is the glaring problem that is never to be spoken about and I'm sick of it. I would have had so much more respect for the writers (and the actress) if they had shown her going on a gastric bypass journey. She's a beautiful woman, but is morbidly obese and there's no sugarcoating that. As the mother of two young children, her health and safety should be foremost. In real life, doctors AND family members would be pleading with her to have the surgery. At that weight, diet and exercise aren't going to touch the issue.

Anonymous wrote:ok, they've addressed Kevin's alcoholism, Rebecca's alzheimers, Little Jack's vision - WHEN are they going to address Kate's obesity?

Anonymous wrote:I finally watched the episode today. As others have said, Kate would constantly criticize Toby for the way he parented the children. Toby would try to make improvements. But what about Kate? She would break down when Toby criticized her. She would never try to make improvements to her own life. She acted as if she didn't think she need to make any improvements/do anything to save the marriage. It was all on Toby to make the changes.

Her character really did get worse as the show went on. There was no personal growth from her at all.

And Philip - yeah, we needed to see more back story as to what ignited that spark with Kate. From what I remember of his personality in previous seasons, he was kind of a jerk. But to now have him love Kate? Doesn't ring true at all.

Anonymous wrote:I've always thought the teenage Kate actress bore such a remarkable resemblance to current Kate. This episode really highlighted that to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

Honestly, it would not surprise me to learn that Big Green Egg got it's lawyers involved. A thirty year old hand me down Crock Pot with a known defect that someone forgot to unplug, eh, not really representative overall of the product. Nor is exercise equipment used by a guy with a heart condition (not to mention the raft of articles that pointed out not having an AED or calling 911 was headscratching), but a HUGE, expensive smoker thing blowing up in your yard at your BBQ and injuring a child, that's a bit of different animal.

Imaginations run wild here. Geez. If anything, blind Jack would have maybe bumped into the egg. It wasn’t going to explode.

No chance the green egg people yanked the story line. This PR is the best thing to happen to that company TBH. Ditto for Pelaton, heck, even Crockpot.

The writers did not hastily write this last season. That’s not how TV works.

Anonymous wrote:Ok… was on spring break and just watched it. Wow. This episode was so sad. Watching the break down of a marriage was truly heartbreaking. I’m a little surprised by the anti-Kate sentiment here, on one hand she’s not blameless, but honestly I get the impression she’s just not in love with Toby anymore and that’s why the marriage ended. In the other hand, I feel Hailey is like this lost child in this all: Toby wasn’t connecting with Jack, let’s adopt another kid!!! Brilliant! Although it’s unsavory, I’m sure we all know people who’ve had kids, biologically or otherwise, whose relationships weren’t exactly stable. It’s very realistic.

All of the big 3 are flawed human beings, I just hate how important it is for a woman to be “likable” to be related to.

Did anyone notice that Chrissy Metz called Toby “Chris” at one point or was that just me?

I disagree Kate and Phillip don’t have chemistry, although I would have liked to seen more of the build-up to that first date. Maybe that’s to come. Phillip’s story of his first wife was a kick in the stomach. Yes, if I were to meet them out I’d probably think they were a bit of an attractiveness mismatch, but we had the beauty (female) and the beast (male) b.s. shoved down our throats so long, I’m ok with this.

I really hope we get the Kate/Sophie friendship reconnection story played out.

So it’s gotta be Sophie, right? I’m a Cassidy fan but if she stays in the picture as a close friend and business colleague I’m cool with that. I just don’t particularly like the Sophie actress. In anything she’s done.

Chris Sullivan blew me away in this episode. This episode was the payoff of a long-alluded to issue that Toby felt alienated in the Pearson family (remember that one episode where Beth, Toby and Miguel went to a bar and talked about how much they felt like outsiders sometimes?) and was very cognizant of the lingering effects of Jack on his wife. The writers laid the groundwork for this divorce almost as soon as they got together in season one.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow so many DCUM ladies triggered by Kate. I’m guessing they see parts of her personality and relationship with Toby in themselves.

No the character is just annoying now. It kinda ruins the show because her and Phillip have zero chemistry and Toby is just trying to provide and she can’t stop playing the victim card over and over again. The divorce just feels shoehorned in at the last minute.

Toby and Kate had a reason to get together, at least, with the weight loss being the catalyst. Kate and Phillip getting together is just out of the blue and unrealistic.

I live in Los Angeles with a neurotypical child and one with special needs and I found it very unrealistic that she was unwilling to move to San Francisco with Toby. She would not be able to live in that house and only work part-time as a teacher’s aide without a substantial second income. She was being selfish, plain and simple. It was completely unrealistic that Toby could take job paying much less and then afford two houses even if Kate took a full time job. Teachers don’t make that much at these schools.

I thought the most unrealistic part was that Toby after months in a great position in San Francisco couldn’t find another similar job in LA. It’s LA, not Akron.

I don’t think it was just the money. The job fulfilled him on a personal level.

Do you know anything about the job market right now? He can find another job that pays more AND fulfills him on a personal level if he was that successful in such a short time in his last company.