Anonymous
Post 12/04/2025 20:26     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:but she is still trying to put good into the world.


Is she? I think she's actually doing exactly the opposite.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2025 20:20     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Jen is a woman trying to get through life like all of us. She may have lost her way due to career and personal pressures but she is still trying to put good into the world. No one is forced to buy what she promotes.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2025 09:28     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People are allowed to reach lower peaks than expected with their projects. At least they tried.


At least she tried? She’s selling a book about her divorce. She’s literally trying to monetize the destruction of her family. She marketed it as a tell-all, when it’s actually not. She sold out to tabloids to gain more public interest. She has 5 children who had to relive all of this. She is marketing herself as an anti-capitalist social justice warrior while simultaneously begging people to use her AMAZON links.


Agreed. It's not as if she were engaged in the pursuit some noble task here. The only thing that ever gave Jen any real credibility was the fact that she was a public ministry figure, teaching women about God, Jesus, and the Bible. Whatever you think about the quality of her earlier works and her theology, she had something like an expertise to offer in a subject. Once she decided to jettison that, her public persona became about selling self-fulfilment with herself as the role model and she's had little to offer that hasn't been offered elsewhere. She's living off the fumes of her former credibility and has become reminiscent of historian Daniel Boorstin's definition of a celebrity as "Someone well known for being well known."


Jen is a middle aged lifestyle influencer. She just parrots back out to the universe what's already in the zeitgeist all in the name of "serving her tribe". She's like an untalented art gallerist who is only able to spot trends but is unable to discover emerging talent. She presents herself as an aspirational figure to get vulnerable women to buy her crap. Gross and soulless.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2025 07:57     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People are allowed to reach lower peaks than expected with their projects. At least they tried.


At least she tried? She’s selling a book about her divorce. She’s literally trying to monetize the destruction of her family. She marketed it as a tell-all, when it’s actually not. She sold out to tabloids to gain more public interest. She has 5 children who had to relive all of this. She is marketing herself as an anti-capitalist social justice warrior while simultaneously begging people to use her AMAZON links.


Agreed. It's not as if she were engaged in the pursuit some noble task here. The only thing that ever gave Jen any real credibility was the fact that she was a public ministry figure, teaching women about God, Jesus, and the Bible. Whatever you think about the quality of her earlier works and her theology, she had something like an expertise to offer in a subject. Once she decided to jettison that, her public persona became about selling self-fulfilment with herself as the role model and she's had little to offer that hasn't been offered elsewhere. She's living off the fumes of her former credibility and has become reminiscent of historian Daniel Boorstin's definition of a celebrity as "Someone well known for being well known."
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2025 19:26     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:People are allowed to reach lower peaks than expected with their projects. At least they tried.


At least she tried? She’s selling a book about her divorce. She’s literally trying to monetize the destruction of her family. She marketed it as a tell-all, when it’s actually not. She sold out to tabloids to gain more public interest. She has 5 children who had to relive all of this. She is marketing herself as an anti-capitalist social justice warrior while simultaneously begging people to use her AMAZON links.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2025 18:33     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

People are allowed to reach lower peaks than expected with their projects. At least they tried.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2025 09:01     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that it is the failure you think it is.

In the US about 100,000 nonfiction books are published annually. Only about 200-300 of those books make it onto the NYT’s nonfiction bestseller list annually. That puts Awake in the top 1% of non fiction books published in 2025. I don’t really understand how that is a failure.

I guarantee you if she wants to write another book, there will be a publisher wanting it.

It’s entirely possible that a book you don’t like is successful. I am an avid reader, this weeks number one book is Senator John Kennedy’s book. I would gouge my eyes out before I read it. That doesn’t mean it’s not successful. It just means it’s a book I’m not interested in. Both things can be true at the same time.

A few other awake accolades.

The New York Times Recognition: The book was included on the prestigious The New York Times' "100 Notable Books of 2025" list and was also featured in several of their fall book roundups and "5 New Books We Love This Week" features. A review in the Times described it as "lucent and nervy".

Amazon Accolades: Awake was named one of Amazon's Top 20 Books of 2025 (landing at #7 overall) and the #1 book in the Biography & Memoir category. It was also an Amazon Editors' Pick for September.


Jen, by your own sales history and by the expectations of your publisher, who put a lot into its marketing, Awake is a failure. It’s been out a little over two months and has disappeared. It’s totally gross sales are about one third what FTL was. It’s a slight recovery over what Fierce, Free, and Full of Shit did but that’s not anything to brag about.

Just accept you’re disappointed your publishing backers.
You had one book of interstate left your “divorce book” and it failed.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2025 08:20     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

My personal favorite review that I’ve read of Awake, started with: “If I could, I would also divorce this woman.”.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2025 23:37     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

I don’t know that it is the failure you think it is.

In the US about 100,000 nonfiction books are published annually. Only about 200-300 of those books make it onto the NYT’s nonfiction bestseller list annually. That puts Awake in the top 1% of non fiction books published in 2025. I don’t really understand how that is a failure.

I guarantee you if she wants to write another book, there will be a publisher wanting it.

It’s entirely possible that a book you don’t like is successful. I am an avid reader, this weeks number one book is Senator John Kennedy’s book. I would gouge my eyes out before I read it. That doesn’t mean it’s not successful. It just means it’s a book I’m not interested in. Both things can be true at the same time.

A few other awake accolades.

The New York Times Recognition: The book was included on the prestigious The New York Times' "100 Notable Books of 2025" list and was also featured in several of their fall book roundups and "5 New Books We Love This Week" features. A review in the Times described it as "lucent and nervy".

Amazon Accolades: Awake was named one of Amazon's Top 20 Books of 2025 (landing at #7 overall) and the #1 book in the Biography & Memoir category. It was also an Amazon Editors' Pick for September.
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2025 20:06     Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker

Anonymous wrote:
Awake came out a little over two months ago.

Best Sellers Rank
#3,839 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)


I think you can quit with these. We get it, it's not doing well. But it's starting to sound like gloating or rooting for another woman's failure.


I disagree. Updates are fine considering Jen acts as if this is still a top seller
Anonymous
Post 12/02/2025 10:40     Subject: Jen Hatmaker

Whatever happened to Jane Capstitcher? Jane if you are reading this, your talents are missed! ✍🏼