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Anonymous wrote:I have a basic question I haven't seen answered, but I may have. missed it in all these pages.

Did JB REJECT her request for an intimacy coordinator? Did she ask for one from the beginning? if not, why not?

She had a lot of power on this movie.

He took initiative to hire and meet with intimacy coordinator. He asked Blake to meet with her. Blake said she was comfortable and declined meeting. It’s all documented.

You make it sound like intimacy coordinators just meet once or twice with actors during preproduction and that's it.

Lively's allegation is not that there was no intimacy coordinator. Nor is it that the intimacy coordinator was not engaged to choreograph certain scripted sex scenes. Her allegation is that Baldoni added intimate scenes and intimate elements to existing scenes, that were not scripted and were not choreographed with the IC, and that the IC was not on set when those scenes were filmed.

Baldoni asked Lively to meet with the IC during preproduction to discuss certain scripted sex scenes and Lively declined, saying she already felt comfortable with those scenes. That was before Lively had worked with Baldoni on set and realized that he would push the envelope with intimacy in other scenes.

Then you say no. She had loads of power on this set. It became an issue when she wanted the rights to the second movie.

She did say no. That's part of the case -- she's saying that she repeatedly "said no" and objected to the way Baldoni handled intimate scenes on set, and advocated for herself. Lively started raising objections to things Baldoni was doing on the first or second day of shooting -- she said "no" repeatedly and frequently.

Then there was a pause in filming due to the strikes. Before coming back, Lively asked Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer to agree that the behavior she'd objected to during the first part of filming would cease, that there would be an IC with Lively at all times on set, and that they would not attempt to retaliate against her for raising her concerns.

And then Baldoni hired a PR team that engaged Jed Wallace to try and destroy Lively's reputation online.

So she sued for sexual harassment, retaliation, breach of contract, violation of her nudity rider, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was real life harassment I would be more sympathetic. This was perceived harassment within a film, these were actors. Lively was acting a part, Baldino was acting a part. This is SH within a fantasy.

This does not make sense. A film set is a real place. Most of the alleged harassment happened outside of scenes they were filming together. You sound like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lively is alleging "real life harassment."

+1000. What is your answer for them talking to her about their p*rn consumption habits and the guy barging into her trailer demanding to talk to her when she was topless?

She asked for it? That's what acting is?

Her door locked, no?

At the end of the day, Blake is a seasoned actress and a strong woman. She had tremendous power in this set. None of this was an issue until she didn’t have the control she wanted on this set, and wanted rights for the second movie. It’s obvious from previous interviews that she’s combative and easily offended.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

Wow this might be one of the worst things I've seen posted on here.

Lively did not agree "for the entire world" to see her naked. Actors have nudity riders that dictate exactly how they may be filmed when fully or partially nude, and also how that footage can be treated. This is why even though there are lots of movies in which actors have appeared nude to some degree, you've never seen all the footage that didn't make it into the final version of the movie. This is a very heavily regulated part of filmmaking. Agreeing to do a movie where there might be some movie does not mean you can't complain when it's more than you agreed to or the footage of the actor who is nude or partially nude is mishandled.

We don’t have to even have this debate as she not nude or partially nude. A gown, briefs and pregnancy suit is fully clothed.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I have issues with people claiming SH during a film. Are porn stars going to start claiming they are SH now? They are making a choice to participate in this, Blake chose to partake in this film. This is fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

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How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

Just keep blaming the woman. You haven't used, 'she asked for it with what she was wearing' yet, you should fit that in somewhere

They were all playing roles. This was not real life. Not really understanding what the issue is here with Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

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How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

I think for many people, it's just hard to imagine her being pressured into anything. But absolutely that comment above was not good.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a basic question I haven't seen answered, but I may have. missed it in all these pages.

Did JB REJECT her request for an intimacy coordinator? Did she ask for one from the beginning? if not, why not?

She had a lot of power on this movie.

He took initiative to hire and meet with intimacy coordinator. He asked Blake to meet with her. Blake said she was comfortable and declined meeting. It’s all documented.

You make it sound like intimacy coordinators just meet once or twice with actors during preproduction and that's it.

Lively's allegation is not that there was no intimacy coordinator. Nor is it that the intimacy coordinator was not engaged to choreograph certain scripted sex scenes. Her allegation is that Baldoni added intimate scenes and intimate elements to existing scenes, that were not scripted and were not choreographed with the IC, and that the IC was not on set when those scenes were filmed.

Baldoni asked Lively to meet with the IC during preproduction to discuss certain scripted sex scenes and Lively declined, saying she already felt comfortable with those scenes. That was before Lively had worked with Baldoni on set and realized that he would push the envelope with intimacy in other scenes.

Then you say no. She had loads of power on this set. It became an issue when she wanted the rights to the second movie.

I mean, I have issues with people claiming SH during a film. Are porn stars going to start claiming they are SH now? They are making a choice to participate in this, Blake chose to partake in this film. This is fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

Wow this might be one of the worst things I've seen posted on here.

Lively did not agree "for the entire world" to see her naked. Actors have nudity riders that dictate exactly how they may be filmed when fully or partially nude, and also how that footage can be treated. This is why even though there are lots of movies in which actors have appeared nude to some degree, you've never seen all the footage that didn't make it into the final version of the movie. This is a very heavily regulated part of filmmaking. Agreeing to do a movie where there might be some movie does not mean you can't complain when it's more than you agreed to or the footage of the actor who is nude or partially nude is mishandled.

Blake declined the IC correct?

No that is not correct. She decline ONE meeting with the IC during preproduction for the film. That's like saying if an actor declines a bottle of water during a script read through, she can never again drink water during the entire production of the film.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

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How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

Just keep blaming the woman. You haven't used, 'she asked for it with what she was wearing' yet, you should fit that in somewhere

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

Wow this might be one of the worst things I've seen posted on here.

Lively did not agree "for the entire world" to see her naked. Actors have nudity riders that dictate exactly how they may be filmed when fully or partially nude, and also how that footage can be treated. This is why even though there are lots of movies in which actors have appeared nude to some degree, you've never seen all the footage that didn't make it into the final version of the movie. This is a very heavily regulated part of filmmaking. Agreeing to do a movie where there might be some movie does not mean you can't complain when it's more than you agreed to or the footage of the actor who is nude or partially nude is mishandled.

Blake declined the IC correct?

NP. Not sure. It’s documented she declined attempts by Baldoni to meeting with the coordinator when he was meeting with her to construct intimate scenes. Said she was comfortable with him doing it,

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

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How do? The fact you can’t elaborate demonstrates that it’s not. If a person is forced to have sex, it’s rape. If a person agreed to have sex, but inside their head they feel pressured but still consent, that’s not rape.

Blake lively is a seasoned actress and an adult woman. She took over the entire wardrobe on this movie. If she did not want to appear a certain way during the birthing scene it was her responsibility to decline to do so.

Do I think occasionally the scenario you proposed happens? Sure of course. But I think it is rare but it is a common justification to deny an assaulted woman justice and to tarnish her reputation and it is a reason women don't come forward because they are so often smeared with this accusation if they do.

So to bring it up in this context which isn't even a r*pe to cast doubt on her is just using a trope as old as time to discredit her is very sexist IMO. It is the dog whistle of misogyny.

She didn't want to be nude, they pressured her into it at the last minute. She did it because an actress being responsible for shutting down production and costing the film millions is a very difficult situation. Saying 'well she eventually said yes' is everything that is wrong with consent culture.

This was a movie, fantasy and not Blake’s first rodeo.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

I agree with PP. Of course people cast friends in small roles, that's common. But it's weird that when Baldoni was looking for a role to give his pal, in a movie filled with small parts in restaurants and bars and shops, he decided to give him the role of "doctor who squats between Lily's legs." That would be kind of a sensitive role. I wouldn't give it to a close friend, it's weird.

OK but then what happened? Blake felt whatever she felt when she was introduced to Justin's actor friend, and then what? The guy showed up to work and behaved professionally? I mean sure, maybe in the privacy of his own mind he was just tickled pink at the prospect of being close to Blake Lively in her underwear, but I have seen no allegations that he behaved at all improperly.

Read the complaint. Lively is alleging that the birth scene was handled unprofessionally and that there were a *series* of actions by Baldoni, Heath, and Wayfarer that together amount to sexual harassment. You can't treat any of the specific allegations alone -- the idea is that together, the scene was mishandled in a way that was invasive and humiliating for Lively. Here is how it is described in her complaint (I've highlighted key points for people who like to skim/don't want to read long text:

51. On the day of shooting the scene in which Ms. Lively’s character gives birth, Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.
Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had “ripped her clothes off” during labor. He claimed it was “not normal” for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.
52. When the birth scene was filmed, the set was chaotic, crowded, and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes—such as choregraphing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad). Mr. Heath and Mr. Baldoni also failed to close the set, allowing non-essential crew to pass through while Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia. Among the non-essential persons present that day was Wayfarer co- Chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests. Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.
53. To add insult to injury, Mr. Heath approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set and started playing a video of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart. Ms. Lively thought he was showing her pornography and stopped him. Mr. Heath explained that the video was his wife giving birth. Ms. Lively was alarmed and asked Mr. Heath if his wife knew he was sharing the video, to which he replied “She isn’t weird about this stuff,” as if Ms. Lively was weird for not welcoming it. Ms. Lively and her assistant excused themselves, stunned that Mr. Heath had shown them a nude video.

lol. I mean, I suppose this could be problematic if Blake hadn’t already consented for the entire world to watch this. It’s literally being filmed for broadcast to the entire world, with her consent. Also, she’s a big girl. If she didn’t want to be dressed a certain way say no. It’s like a woman agreeing to have sex, then later feeling like they were pressured and calling it rape. That’s not how it works.

Wow this might be one of the worst things I've seen posted on here.

Lively did not agree "for the entire world" to see her naked. Actors have nudity riders that dictate exactly how they may be filmed when fully or partially nude, and also how that footage can be treated. This is why even though there are lots of movies in which actors have appeared nude to some degree, you've never seen all the footage that didn't make it into the final version of the movie. This is a very heavily regulated part of filmmaking. Agreeing to do a movie where there might be some movie does not mean you can't complain when it's more than you agreed to or the footage of the actor who is nude or partially nude is mishandled.

Then you say no. You refuse to do it. Lively took enough control over this film it’s obvious she’s no shrinking violet.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a basic question I haven't seen answered, but I may have. missed it in all these pages.

Did JB REJECT her request for an intimacy coordinator? Did she ask for one from the beginning? if not, why not?

She had a lot of power on this movie.

He took initiative to hire and meet with intimacy coordinator. He asked Blake to meet with her. Blake said she was comfortable and declined meeting. It’s all documented.

You make it sound like intimacy coordinators just meet once or twice with actors during preproduction and that's it.

Lively's allegation is not that there was no intimacy coordinator. Nor is it that the intimacy coordinator was not engaged to choreograph certain scripted sex scenes. Her allegation is that Baldoni added intimate scenes and intimate elements to existing scenes, that were not scripted and were not choreographed with the IC, and that the IC was not on set when those scenes were filmed.

Baldoni asked Lively to meet with the IC during preproduction to discuss certain scripted sex scenes and Lively declined, saying she already felt comfortable with those scenes. That was before Lively had worked with Baldoni on set and realized that he would push the envelope with intimacy in other scenes.