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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

That’s a shame because I do appreciate the perspective that her race is a part of the sympathy. I don’t think race alone accounts for it - we all know that most mass shooters are white and don’t garner this sympathy - but I think it’s an important discussion. I’d like to say I’d extend the same sympathy if she was Black but then again, if she was Black I’d probably never hear about this case.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

That’s a shame because I do appreciate the perspective that her race is a part of the sympathy. I don’t think race alone accounts for it - we all know that most mass shooters are white and don’t garner this sympathy - but I think it’s an important discussion. I’d like to say I’d extend the same sympathy if she was Black but then again, if she was Black I’d probably never hear about this case.

Anonymous wrote:I notice a definite pattern, especially amongst millennial umc couples of having three kids in succession, 2 years apart at most. Many of these couples have zero experience with kids and are extremely self centered individuals. I can imagine adjusting to parenthood would be challenging for them. They do seem to be competing with each other. Thank you for glamorizing parenthood, social media.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

Do you think she should be held accountable for her actions?

Anonymous wrote:I notice a definite pattern, especially amongst millennial umc couples of having three kids in succession, 2 years apart at most. Many of these couples have zero experience with kids and are extremely self centered individuals. I can imagine adjusting to parenthood would be challenging for them. They do seem to be competing with each other. Thank you for glamorizing parenthood, social media.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep going back to the call her husband made to the doctors a week prior. He said she was acting like a zombie. Her meds were adjusted and bam— one week later, the unthinkable. Obviously her situation was precarious and very difficult to treat. There is a fine line to titrating psych meds and some cases are intractable.

Also, there is no scenario where she will get off scot free as some posters are saying. If not guilty due to insanity— she will be in a locked ward for a very long time to come. These are not cushy rehab facilities at all.

In MD we have the Clifton Perkins Hospital for the criminally insane— she would likely end up somewhere like that. A pretty grim way to spend your life, especially as a paraplegic.

I wonder about the timing of “one week before”, I know it has been reported that he said that. But I think there has been so much that has come out since then, when did he actually say that?

Her mom also visited the weekend prior (incident happened on Tuesday) and texted her saying she was doing “much better”.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

This is my perspective too. Any mother who has been through pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, sleep deprivation, hormonal and chemical fluctuations, and watching the monitor all night to make sure your baby is breathing - all while raising other toddlers- knows how it can alter your mental state. I can’t imagine the pain and scariness of having an actual PPD or PPP diagnosis on top of it. Maybe it’s unconscious bias, but we know how little support is available for parents having difficulty going through this phase of life. Like PP said, doing what she did is unimaginable for the vast majority of parents- most of us have to believe that someone with no prior record would have to have been driven insane.

I think we need to reject conventional practices of having babies less than 2 years apart and having more than 2 of them like it’s easy. Yes people do it, and most people survive it without something terrible happening.

BUT. In this day and age, having 3+ kids less than 2 years apart is just asking for misery. Why? Just why? I had two kids 3 years apart. Both were good sleepers and neurotypical and it was still really hard! DH and I didn’t have any trouble deciding to stop at 2 even though before we had any kids we discussed three. As non parents you have no clue.

Again, not saying people can’t have more than two kids. But can we please get rid of this idea that it’s so easy that everyone should do it and in quick succession too, which is how it feels right now.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

This is my perspective too. Any mother who has been through pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, sleep deprivation, hormonal and chemical fluctuations, and watching the monitor all night to make sure your baby is breathing - all while raising other toddlers- knows how it can alter your mental state. I can’t imagine the pain and scariness of having an actual PPD or PPP diagnosis on top of it. Maybe it’s unconscious bias, but we know how little support is available for parents having difficulty going through this phase of life. Like PP said, doing what she did is unimaginable for the vast majority of parents- most of us have to believe that someone with no prior record would have to have been driven insane.

Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

Anonymous wrote:I keep going back to the call her husband made to the doctors a week prior. He said she was acting like a zombie. Her meds were adjusted and bam— one week later, the unthinkable. Obviously her situation was precarious and very difficult to treat. There is a fine line to titrating psych meds and some cases are intractable.

Also, there is no scenario where she will get off scot free as some posters are saying. If not guilty due to insanity— she will be in a locked ward for a very long time to come. These are not cushy rehab facilities at all.

In MD we have the Clifton Perkins Hospital for the criminally insane— she would likely end up somewhere like that. A pretty grim way to spend your life, especially as a paraplegic.