Anonymous wrote:Just pointing out that despite being deeply dissatisfied with the school board’s COVID chaos, Fairfax County appears to have just voted the same group back into office for another 4 years— 12-0D— in large part because the R candidates ran heavily on book banning and making life difficult for trans kids. And there are plenty of people who would have voted R if Rs had focused on education instead of book banning and LGBTQ kids. Because the incumbents voted back in we’re not beloved. Or even liked. They are just better than 4 years of Mothers of Liberty running school libraries.

This is simply what Democrats do - vote in the same nutters over and over again. If even ONE Republican had been elected to the SB, that would have provided at least a tiny bit of balance. But no. We are destined to relive four more painfully unproductive years, putting academics at the very bottom of a laundry list filled with social issues. No one to blame but yourselves.

Anonymous wrote:One of these fascist Proud Moms for anti-Liberty tried to get a school librarian arrested. https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-moms-for-liberty-member-demands-criminal-investigation-over-fantasy-novel-18181127

If people can’t see the Nazi parallels, they’re staying dumb deliberately.

Too funny - you use a far-left source, that itself uses the far-left "gotcha" technique of obtaining the officer's body cam footage. Is that even legal? And if you listen to what she's saying, she specifically says they are not trying to remove any books from the public library (or anywhere else). They simply want sexually graphic books out of the school libraries. Nice try, calling anyone you disagree with "fascists and Nazis."

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Just pointing out that despite being deeply dissatisfied with the school board’s COVID chaos, Fairfax County appears to have just voted the same group back into office for another 4 years— 12-0D— in large part because the R candidates ran heavily on book banning and making life difficult for trans kids. And there are plenty of people who would have voted R if Rs had focused on education instead of book banning and LGBTQ kids. Because the incumbents voted back in we’re not beloved. Or even liked. They are just better than 4 years of Mothers of Liberty running school libraries.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

Anyone who actually considers "Gender Queer" et al to be on a booklover's list is not arguing in good faith. I mean, seriously? Do you even hear yourself?
DP

Do you? Who is saying Gender Queer is on a booklover’s list? Literally no one. You know what that book is, though? A good guide for trans teens. A great book about consent and talking through intimacy. Unless you literally think no one under the age of 21 is doing anything remotely sexual, it’s a fine book for teens.

It’s also the book you fascists want to bang your head on the wall about. We can all read the lists of banned books. And none of you ever answers pointed questions about them. Like all the innocent children’s picture books about AA history and culture. Or the very sweet book “Neither,” which hosts a whole series of bigots like you, rendered in a cute cartoon and suitably sidelined by the end of the book.

And with the newest fascist obsession - “HuStLeR iN sChOoLs!!11!” - you guys are beginning to seem like the sexually depraved people.

Why is it OK to provide some sexual content but not others?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

Anyone who actually considers "Gender Queer" et al to be on a booklover's list is not arguing in good faith. I mean, seriously? Do you even hear yourself?
DP

Do you? Who is saying Gender Queer is on a booklover’s list? Literally no one. You know what that book is, though? A good guide for trans teens. A great book about consent and talking through intimacy. Unless you literally think no one under the age of 21 is doing anything remotely sexual, it’s a fine book for teens.

It’s also the book you fascists want to bang your head on the wall about. We can all read the lists of banned books. And none of you ever answers pointed questions about them. Like all the innocent children’s picture books about AA history and culture. Or the very sweet book “Neither,” which hosts a whole series of bigots like you, rendered in a cute cartoon and suitably sidelined by the end of the book.

And with the newest fascist obsession - “HuStLeR iN sChOoLs!!11!” - you guys are beginning to seem like the sexually depraved people.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

Anyone who actually considers "Gender Queer" et al to be on a booklover's list is not arguing in good faith. I mean, seriously? Do you even hear yourself?
DP

What is wrong with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

Anyone who actually considers "Gender Queer" et al to be on a booklover's list is not arguing in good faith. I mean, seriously? Do you even hear yourself?
DP

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Is it?

Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.

The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.

OMG. I can't even with your moving the goalposts every time Democrats are caught being hypocrites - which is every single day. You people are such a joke.
DP

Okay?

“Banning” is a real word with a specific meaning. What these teachers did isn’t “banning.” What the Orwellian named “Moms for Liberty” is doing is banning. Several elected Republicans have been giddy about banning and burning books.

Your party is fascist.

So - just to be clear - you consider keeping school libraries full of AGE-APPROPRIATE books to be "banning," even though the books in question are widely available at any bookstore, public library, Amazon, etc. But somehow, teachers saying "To Kill a Mockingbird" is inappropriate and will not be part of the required curriculum, is NOT banning.

Also, exactly which elected Republican is "giddy about banning and burning books"? We'll wait while you dredge up some BS from a LWNJ propaganda site.

One of these fascist Proud Moms for anti-Liberty tried to get a school librarian arrested. https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-moms-for-liberty-member-demands-criminal-investigation-over-fantasy-novel-18181127

If people can’t see the Nazi parallels, they’re staying dumb deliberately.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?

These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.

Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.

This letter was published in the NYT in 2022, and I dug it out because I thought it was relevant to the discussion around Maus. Cultural norms matter, and assuming the worst from people you don't know is the exact opposite of espousing diversity.

To the Editor:

Re “Tennessee Board Bans Teaching of Holocaust Novel” (news article, Jan. 29):

I’m Jewish, from New York City, and I taught at a state university serving low-income Tennessee students for 25 years. So I need to set the record straight.

Every Tennessee fifth grader is required to learn about the Holocaust. My university, with its minuscule fraction of Jewish students, has a Holocaust studies minor. We host an international Holocaust conference every two years.

To convey the magnitude of six million lost, three decades ago teachers in Whitwell, Tenn., asked their eighth-grade class to collect that many paper clips. They ended up with 30 million, sent to the school from people around the world. These are on display in the school’s Children’s Holocaust Memorial, housed in a boxcar from Germany, which may be the most riveting testament of young people working together to vow “Never again.”

People in the rural South have different cultural norms. After moving to Tennessee, I learned you don’t swear in class. But painting a state as yahoos and Holocaust deniers for rejecting cursing or nudity in one book epitomizes the very stereotype we people who study the Holocaust should always abhor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/opinion/letters/book-bans-censorship.html?searchResultPosition=4

That actually doesn’t answer PP’s question even a little. In fact it’s a non answer. Banning Maus for nudity is a yahoo’s approach to life. It’s mice in lieu of people for crying out loud. Maybe next you’ll all pass a law stating that no deer or birds can walk around nude.

You’re so determined to defend your point that you’ve lost the ability to think clearly or see the answer in front of you.

What are the sex acts in Maus.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?

These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.

Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.

This letter was published in the NYT in 2022, and I dug it out because I thought it was relevant to the discussion around Maus. Cultural norms matter, and assuming the worst from people you don't know is the exact opposite of espousing diversity.

To the Editor:

Re “Tennessee Board Bans Teaching of Holocaust Novel” (news article, Jan. 29):

I’m Jewish, from New York City, and I taught at a state university serving low-income Tennessee students for 25 years. So I need to set the record straight.

Every Tennessee fifth grader is required to learn about the Holocaust. My university, with its minuscule fraction of Jewish students, has a Holocaust studies minor. We host an international Holocaust conference every two years.

To convey the magnitude of six million lost, three decades ago teachers in Whitwell, Tenn., asked their eighth-grade class to collect that many paper clips. They ended up with 30 million, sent to the school from people around the world. These are on display in the school’s Children’s Holocaust Memorial, housed in a boxcar from Germany, which may be the most riveting testament of young people working together to vow “Never again.”

People in the rural South have different cultural norms. After moving to Tennessee, I learned you don’t swear in class. But painting a state as yahoos and Holocaust deniers for rejecting cursing or nudity in one book epitomizes the very stereotype we people who study the Holocaust should always abhor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/opinion/letters/book-bans-censorship.html?searchResultPosition=4

So, what page on Maus are there images of sexual acts (the apparent reason it is being banned according to PP)? Sorry, I don't see it mentioned in that letter and that's what I was looking for. I am not finding this in my copy of the book. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?

These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.

Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.

This letter was published in the NYT in 2022, and I dug it out because I thought it was relevant to the discussion around Maus. Cultural norms matter, and assuming the worst from people you don't know is the exact opposite of espousing diversity.

To the Editor:

Re “Tennessee Board Bans Teaching of Holocaust Novel” (news article, Jan. 29):

I’m Jewish, from New York City, and I taught at a state university serving low-income Tennessee students for 25 years. So I need to set the record straight.

Every Tennessee fifth grader is required to learn about the Holocaust. My university, with its minuscule fraction of Jewish students, has a Holocaust studies minor. We host an international Holocaust conference every two years.

To convey the magnitude of six million lost, three decades ago teachers in Whitwell, Tenn., asked their eighth-grade class to collect that many paper clips. They ended up with 30 million, sent to the school from people around the world. These are on display in the school’s Children’s Holocaust Memorial, housed in a boxcar from Germany, which may be the most riveting testament of young people working together to vow “Never again.”

People in the rural South have different cultural norms. After moving to Tennessee, I learned you don’t swear in class. But painting a state as yahoos and Holocaust deniers for rejecting cursing or nudity in one book epitomizes the very stereotype we people who study the Holocaust should always abhor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/opinion/letters/book-bans-censorship.html?searchResultPosition=4

That actually doesn’t answer PP’s question even a little. In fact it’s a non answer. Banning Maus for nudity is a yahoo’s approach to life. It’s mice in lieu of people for crying out loud. Maybe next you’ll all pass a law stating that no deer or birds can walk around nude.

You’re so determined to defend your point that you’ve lost the ability to think clearly or see the answer in front of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?

These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.

Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.

This letter was published in the NYT in 2022, and I dug it out because I thought it was relevant to the discussion around Maus. Cultural norms matter, and assuming the worst from people you don't know is the exact opposite of espousing diversity.

To the Editor:

Re “Tennessee Board Bans Teaching of Holocaust Novel” (news article, Jan. 29):

I’m Jewish, from New York City, and I taught at a state university serving low-income Tennessee students for 25 years. So I need to set the record straight.

Every Tennessee fifth grader is required to learn about the Holocaust. My university, with its minuscule fraction of Jewish students, has a Holocaust studies minor. We host an international Holocaust conference every two years.

To convey the magnitude of six million lost, three decades ago teachers in Whitwell, Tenn., asked their eighth-grade class to collect that many paper clips. They ended up with 30 million, sent to the school from people around the world. These are on display in the school’s Children’s Holocaust Memorial, housed in a boxcar from Germany, which may be the most riveting testament of young people working together to vow “Never again.”

People in the rural South have different cultural norms. After moving to Tennessee, I learned you don’t swear in class. But painting a state as yahoos and Holocaust deniers for rejecting cursing or nudity in one book epitomizes the very stereotype we people who study the Holocaust should always abhor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/opinion/letters/book-bans-censorship.html?searchResultPosition=4

That actually doesn’t answer PP’s question even a little. In fact it’s a non answer. Banning Maus for nudity is a yahoo’s approach to life. It’s mice in lieu of people for crying out loud. Maybe next you’ll all pass a law stating that no deer or birds can walk around nude.

Anonymous wrote:If it weren't for double standards, democrats would have no standards at all. - Chris Plante

I’m glad you found a quote that makes you feel better about yourself.

Now back to the banned books: why have conservatives stripped books about African American history and representation out? Why are Jewish heritage books banned? Why are all positive and neutral depictions of gay people and families headed by gay people stricken from schools? Is the mere existence of this too much for snowflakes fascists? Why don’t kids from those heritages and families get to see themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/

member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.

"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.

Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.

They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.

No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.

No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?

And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/

And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.

Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.

Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books

DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?

These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.

Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.

This letter was published in the NYT in 2022, and I dug it out because I thought it was relevant to the discussion around Maus. Cultural norms matter, and assuming the worst from people you don't know is the exact opposite of espousing diversity.

To the Editor:

Re “Tennessee Board Bans Teaching of Holocaust Novel” (news article, Jan. 29):

I’m Jewish, from New York City, and I taught at a state university serving low-income Tennessee students for 25 years. So I need to set the record straight.

Every Tennessee fifth grader is required to learn about the Holocaust. My university, with its minuscule fraction of Jewish students, has a Holocaust studies minor. We host an international Holocaust conference every two years.

To convey the magnitude of six million lost, three decades ago teachers in Whitwell, Tenn., asked their eighth-grade class to collect that many paper clips. They ended up with 30 million, sent to the school from people around the world. These are on display in the school’s Children’s Holocaust Memorial, housed in a boxcar from Germany, which may be the most riveting testament of young people working together to vow “Never again.”

People in the rural South have different cultural norms. After moving to Tennessee, I learned you don’t swear in class. But painting a state as yahoos and Holocaust deniers for rejecting cursing or nudity in one book epitomizes the very stereotype we people who study the Holocaust should always abhor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/12/opinion/letters/book-bans-censorship.html?searchResultPosition=4