Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:15     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:So if there was no quid pro quo, why was the money withheld? Why did the Ukranians think there was a quid pro quo?

If agreement wasn’t a prerequisite for aid, that means aid would have been delivered even if they didn’t agree. So why hold up aid to begin with? That doesn’t add up. Trump’s own defense doesn’t make sense without a quid quo pro.


It sounds like some of these deep state bureaucrats were getting too far out over their skis. To put pressure on the Ukrainians, they may have said or implied a quid pro quo. But Trump never instructed them to do that.

These deep state bureaucrats are used to saying whatever they want under the assumption that no one is ever going to know. They could make any kind of threats or promises that they want to get the desired result. That doesn't mean it was ordered by Trump.

No, lack of a quid pro quo doesn't mean aid would have been delivered even if they didn't agree. It means the two things are not linked.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:13     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


The White House participant on the call with DOJ--which the top CIA lawyer intended to be a criminal referral--was the very same White House lawyer who played a key role locking down the July 25 transcript on the CODEWORD-level NSC computer system.

Here’s the NBC News link: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1062481?__twitter_impression=true
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:12     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Actually, no. Taylor has his own agenda of some sort. Whenever someone says in a text or email "Don't you remember that conversation we had when you said such and such...." is an attempt by Taylor to create a phoney paper trail of a conversation that never occurred. Lawyers pull this stuff, or try to, all the time. They'll send correspondence "documenting" a conversation that never occurred. Then, if the correspondence is overlooked, or the recipient doesn't respond to set the record straight, the false documentation of a conversation which never occurred becomes the "default record." That's why Sondland jumped all over Taylor, immediately, completely refuting his phoney recollection of a conversation that never occurred.



LMAO

You realize there are PAGES of texts implicating Sondland. PAGES. The last text he sent was after the whistleblower had contacted the CIA counsel who went to the white house to let them know about the whistleblower.


AND CIA counsel filed a criminal referral about it!

The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Department later declined to open an investigation.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481

Barr is done. All that is left is for the thermometer to pop out. His goose is cooked.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:11     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Per Catherine Herridge: IC Inspector General told lawmakers the whistleblower did not disclose contact with Schiff/Committee staff - so IG never looked into it. IG “had no knowledge of it”.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:11     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


Key words: she considered

Parse what you read

The CIA’s top lawyer considered it abuse of power.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:11     Subject: Re:Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
I'm just exhausted from the Trump presidency. Impeach him - whatever - just please return us to normalcy. God I never thought I'd say it, but I miss George and I miss Obama. Wasn't a big fan of either. But fu*k, this nut job is too much.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:07     Subject: Re:Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
The Chairman of the Federal Election Commission for the past 19 years, originally appointed by Bush, thinks its a crime to ask a foreign country to investigate a political opponent. See her statement last July, retweeted by her yesterday after the China comment, and her appearance today on Morning JOe.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:06     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


Key words: she considered

Parse what you read
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:04     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:barr needs prison time.

All these guys do.

And not community service teaching other people how to be thugs, and not house arrest. Real prison time.


Yep. Complete with an orange jumpsuit, powdered eggs and a prison boyfriend.

I often wonder if Nixon hadn’t been pardoned and had been sent to jail if we would be here now. If there are never consequences, why follow the rules?
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 18:02     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


ugh. So not surprised.


Barr needs to be investigated. He seems to be deep in some bad stuff.

Trump, Pence, Barr, Mnuchin, Pompeo, Johnson.... I’m forgetting several.


Trump may have sent farmers into bankruptcy and the manufacturing sector into recession. But he has done wonders for the DMV legal sector.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 17:56     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone else appreciates the irony that it is State Department electronic communications exposing these crimes?


Crimes?

LOL. No "crimes" have been "exposed."


These communications don't have to be "crimes". They are a violation of the US Constitution. That should alarm all Americans.

Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 17:45     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
barr needs prison time.

All these guys do.

And not community service teaching other people how to be thugs, and not house arrest. Real prison time.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 17:44     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


Umm, isn't this the same issue that the DOJ has already come out and said was fine?


No and it obviously isn't fine, even if Barr says so.

Correct. The other criminal referral had to do with campaign finance and Barr didn’t do anything with that one either.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 17:41     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


Umm, isn't this the same issue that the DOJ has already come out and said was fine?


No and it obviously isn't fine, even if Barr says so.
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2019 17:29     Subject: Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NBC News:

Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.

Barr buried this. Obstruction.


ugh. So not surprised.


Barr needs to be investigated. He seems to be deep in some bad stuff.

Trump, Pence, Barr, Mnuchin, Pompeo, Johnson.... I’m forgetting several.


it is hard to keep up.

We will have to add republicans in congress soon if they don't get off their duffs.