Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 15:09     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
The "Burke did it" theory just doesn't hold water.

If he had hit his sister in the head, most people would just call an ambulance. It would be easy to say it was an accident, the kid was 9 years old. It would be very unlikely that he would be charged with anything.

Plus, the blow to the head isn't what killed her ultimately. It was the strangulation, which a kid definitely didn't do. She died a very violent death.

It's a BIG leap to say that the parents did it to cover up Burke hitting his sister.

It would be easier to believe that the father did it to cover up sexual abuse, but I really don't believe that either...
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 15:07     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
What's the weirdest thing to me about the 911 call is that Patsy never tells the police that the kidnappers are watching the house....In the note it says multiple times not to call the police or she dies, they are watching the house, etc. Yet Patsy never mentions to the police to be discreet when coming over to the house AND invites a bunch of friends over?!?! Huge red flag...
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 13:00     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Do we know why JB's arms were above her head? Could it have been from them changing her clothes and sadly rigor mortis set in while her arms were up? In a seizure would her arms have gone up? They showed how loose the wrist ties were and that they caused no injury so it couldn't have been for those right?


I think that was part of the staging. They either dragged her into that room or carried her into the room after death and tied her wrists with the worthless slipknots.

It makes me so sad to even think of what a horror that was. .
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 12:32     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Do we know why JB's arms were above her head? Could it have been from them changing her clothes and sadly rigor mortis set in while her arms were up? In a seizure would her arms have gone up? They showed how loose the wrist ties were and that they caused no injury so it couldn't have been for those right?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 12:29     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:I was shocked at how against the Ramsey's night one was.
Are they doing that on purpose?
I was really out of by half a child recreate the death of a child
Who would let their kid do that on tv....
Will we hear other theories?
What did the friends say that wouldn't go on camera?
I believe even if 100% innocent (and I don't know who did it) that Burke was awake and on the call. The parents didn't want him involved in anything or questioned at all and so lied and said he was in bed.
That doesn't mean he did it, it just means they lied about it and I can see that and why
Of course you wake him up to see if he heard or saw anything.
What if the kidnappers were still in the house, very odd they left him sleeping alone.
I would have immediately sent one of all of those friends upstairs to watch him like a hawk to see if he is safe and keep him that way.
I would like to hear more about counter theories and the debunking of them.
They are sounding biased by the evidence they are presenting....


If an adult had used the flashlight on the dummy instead then people would be saying "Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean that a kid could have broken her skull". But by using a 9/10 year old boy in the experiment it is proven that a 9/10 year old boy could in fact fracture something the width of a child's skull. The kid didn't actually smack a real kid obviously, it was just an experiment and it helped to prove the point that a kid could have done this.

I personally would have been fine with the pathologist simply stating that "Yes, a kid could have caused this fracture", I didn't need the visual really but it helped to answer a long standing question - so I don't think it was an inappropriate experiment.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 12:10     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.


I liked the recreated house, but the show lost credibility as soon as the neighbor went off about the pageant trophies.


I barely paid attention to that. The neighbors are going to have opinions and memories of the Ramseys - not everything that they say is relevant or important. So what?



Why did the show choose to air that clip? Are they just playing any ole footage they captured during their investigation? If they aren't able to weed through the obvious crap then what else did they miss/overplay? I thought the 10 year with the flashlight felt a little gimmicky too.


I think the thing with the trophies was maybe just to introduce the fact that JonBenet had pageant trophies in her room. There has been speculation as to whether or not a trophy could have been the weapon used on JonBenet. And there were apparently trophies removed from the house days later (to be used at JB's funeral I think?).

That scene was so badly contaminated with all the people in/out and it wasn't contained with John leaving for over an hour, Patsy's sister removing items from the house, friends cleaning up the kitchen, possibly bringing food and other items inside, etc.

I thought the 10 year old with the flashlight and the dummy was relevant. The question of whether or not a child could have inflicted the wound was answered. The answer is - yes.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 12:00     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, wouldn't all the lights in the house have immediately gone on as they scrambled to deal with the situation? Did anyone report seeing lights on?


The neighbors reported seeing "strange lights" on at the house. Lights that weren't typically on that late at night were on.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:53     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.


I liked the recreated house, but the show lost credibility as soon as the neighbor went off about the pageant trophies.


I barely paid attention to that. The neighbors are going to have opinions and memories of the Ramseys - not everything that they say is relevant or important. So what?



Why did the show choose to air that clip? Are they just playing any ole footage they captured during their investigation? If they aren't able to weed through the obvious crap then what else did they miss/overplay? I thought the 10 year with the flashlight felt a little gimmicky too.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:52     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I was shocked at how against the Ramsey's night one was.
Are they doing that on purpose?
I was really out of by half a child recreate the death of a child
Who would let their kid do that on tv....
Will we hear other theories?
What did the friends say that wouldn't go on camera?
I believe even if 100% innocent (and I don't know who did it) that Burke was awake and on the call. The parents didn't want him involved in anything or questioned at all and so lied and said he was in bed.
That doesn't mean he did it, it just means they lied about it and I can see that and why
Of course you wake him up to see if he heard or saw anything.
What if the kidnappers were still in the house, very odd they left him sleeping alone.
I would have immediately sent one of all of those friends upstairs to watch him like a hawk to see if he is safe and keep him that way.
I would like to hear more about counter theories and the debunking of them.
They are sounding biased by the evidence they are presenting....
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:48     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



This does make sense, but the problem is this would imply that this was an accident staged as a murder, and what the evidence shows is that this was a murder staged as a sex assault/kidnapping.

There is no evidence anything accidental happened. No fall, no tumble down the stairs. The blow to her head is what killed her. The chances of her having a soft blow to the head that was an accident in the exact same place as the brutal blunt force object doesn't make sense. So the accident theory has a hard time holding up.


JonBenet could have picked up one of Burke's new Christmas toys which made him mad. He could have grabbed the flashlight and hit her with it not intending to kill her but to get her to drop the toy. It would be an intentional accident, an accidentally on purpose sort of thing.

I don't think that anyone is saying that the parents or brother would have plotted to kill JonBenet. If the killer was a family member, I don't think that there was any intention to kill her. They struck her out of momentary and highly uncharacteristic anger. The preceding days had been very busy, there was still packing to do, loading up of the car, etc. I'm sure that everyone was a bit overtired - especially the kids.



I guess. It was a brutal hit with a heavy object though. My kids fight - they push and save. It is hard for me to picture a boy with no history of violent behavior (or future, now that we have 20 years of hindsight in our favor), to be this brutal with this sister. Hit her, kick her, shove her, slap her, pinch her, yes. Bash her head with a heavy flashlight? It is possible, but still a long shot.


He had bashed her with a golf club in the past, sent her to the hospital


He was outside hitting balls when he swung the golf club back and clocked her on the cheek. It wasn't a deliberate blow, it was accidental.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:41     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I was defending the Ramsey's earlier, NOW I am convinced Burke did it.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:36     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



This does make sense, but the problem is this would imply that this was an accident staged as a murder, and what the evidence shows is that this was a murder staged as a sex assault/kidnapping.

There is no evidence anything accidental happened. No fall, no tumble down the stairs. The blow to her head is what killed her. The chances of her having a soft blow to the head that was an accident in the exact same place as the brutal blunt force object doesn't make sense. So the accident theory has a hard time holding up.


JonBenet could have picked up one of Burke's new Christmas toys which made him mad. He could have grabbed the flashlight and hit her with it not intending to kill her but to get her to drop the toy. It would be an intentional accident, an accidentally on purpose sort of thing.

I don't think that anyone is saying that the parents or brother would have plotted to kill JonBenet. If the killer was a family member, I don't think that there was any intention to kill her. They struck her out of momentary and highly uncharacteristic anger. The preceding days had been very busy, there was still packing to do, loading up of the car, etc. I'm sure that everyone was a bit overtired - especially the kids.



I guess. It was a brutal hit with a heavy object though. My kids fight - they push and save. It is hard for me to picture a boy with no history of violent behavior (or future, now that we have 20 years of hindsight in our favor), to be this brutal with this sister. Hit her, kick her, shove her, slap her, pinch her, yes. Bash her head with a heavy flashlight? It is possible, but still a long shot.


He had bashed her with a golf club in the past, sent her to the hospital
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 11:36     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.


I liked the recreated house, but the show lost credibility as soon as the neighbor went off about the pageant trophies.


I barely paid attention to that. The neighbors are going to have opinions and memories of the Ramseys - not everything that they say is relevant or important. So what?

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:49     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.


Read this:
http://www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-ramsey-how-the-investigation-got-derailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:44     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.


I liked the recreated house, but the show lost credibility as soon as the neighbor went off about the pageant trophies.