Sarajevo. Reichstag fire. Ambassador hotel 1968.

We’re at another dangerous juncture.

Since the shooter manage to leave clues that both sides are using to claim that he is aligned with the other, let's review exactly what we know:

1) On January 21, 2021, the guy made a $15 donation through Act Blue to support the "Progressive Turnout Project". This is an organization that tries to turn out loosely-engaged Democratic voters. The organization had specifically targeted Pennsylvania.

2) In September 2021, he registered as a Republican. It is unlikely that this had anything to do with presidential politics because that race would not get going until 2023. But what was happening at that time was an important Senate race. Therefore, the shooter might have registered as a Republican in order to participate in the Republican Senate primary. But, this is speculation and we really don't know what caused him to do this. He could have just as easily wanted to participate in the primary for the local dog catcher.

At any rate, I expect that more information about the shooters motivations will be forthcoming and neither of these facts may end up meaning much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump Just Created One of the Most Iconic Photos in U.S. History

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1pVVk4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f2f0910155894b52a787c14dbddbcb3e&ei=29

I don’t care what you think of his politics—former President Donald Trump just struck one of the most iconic poses in U.S. history.

His fist-raised salute of defiance is surely enough to win him re-election to the White House. Especially if the American people have to choose between a doddering incumbent and the man who got to his feet seconds after an assassination attempt and punched the air with blood trickling down his face.

Make no mistake, the image of a bloodstained Trump standing with one arm aloft instantly takes its place alongside the greatest photos in American history.

He was an idiot for vying for the crowd and camera while someone was trying to kill him. You may find it iconic. I find it a sign of his idiocy.

He won't cower for you.

+1

Anonymous wrote:The more I look at the videos, the more anomalies pop up. Here are the questions that I have.
1. What was the exact distance between the podium and the building? You can hear the delay between the shot and impact, which indicates the distance the bullet travelled, and the building roof was only 200-300' away. A professional sniper should be able to hit the end of an eraser at that distance.
2. There seem to be a series of two shots at 1/2 sec, followed by three rapid at 4/5 sec, and possibly another at 16 sec? Why was there a pause between 2 sec and 4 sec? The shooter had to know it was a miss.
3. What was the exact sequence and timing of who shot what? A twitter clip showed the secret service sniper held on target. Why?
4. What was the exact caliber and type of weapon fired and did it have a suppressor? I've seen .223/.308/AR-15-style posted elsewhere. But a professional sniper wouldn't use a suppressor, since it reduces muzzle velocity. One clip seemed muffled, but after thinking about it that could be explained by using professional noise cancelling devices.
5. Identity of the shooter and motivation?
6. The woman with the white phone to the left of the President in the stands is very calm with her phone video recording. Who was she and why didn't she seem phased by all of this?

If we don't know the exact calibers, none of this is real. Amiright?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump Just Created One of the Most Iconic Photos in U.S. History

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1pVVk4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f2f0910155894b52a787c14dbddbcb3e&ei=29

I don’t care what you think of his politics—former President Donald Trump just struck one of the most iconic poses in U.S. history.

His fist-raised salute of defiance is surely enough to win him re-election to the White House. Especially if the American people have to choose between a doddering incumbent and the man who got to his feet seconds after an assassination attempt and punched the air with blood trickling down his face.

Make no mistake, the image of a bloodstained Trump standing with one arm aloft instantly takes its place alongside the greatest photos in American history.

He was pulled to his feet by the Secret Service. Let's not pretend that a 300-pound 77-year old sprung to his feet. BTW, did he get his shoe back? The audio will also be iconic.

Cope.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump Just Created One of the Most Iconic Photos in U.S. History

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1pVVk4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f2f0910155894b52a787c14dbddbcb3e&ei=29

I don’t care what you think of his politics—former President Donald Trump just struck one of the most iconic poses in U.S. history.

His fist-raised salute of defiance is surely enough to win him re-election to the White House. Especially if the American people have to choose between a doddering incumbent and the man who got to his feet seconds after an assassination attempt and punched the air with blood trickling down his face.

Make no mistake, the image of a bloodstained Trump standing with one arm aloft instantly takes its place alongside the greatest photos in American history.

He was an idiot for vying for the crowd and camera while someone was trying to kill him. You may find it iconic. I find it a sign of his idiocy.

He won't cower for you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to get his own security. Democrats are trying to remove his right to USSS protection, Myorkas is denying increases for protection, and now there's been an assassination attempt from a rooftop 150 yards from his podium. The Penn state police said that rooftop wasn't part of the perimeter-- what? It's USSS and Law Enforcement's job to CREATE an adequate perimeter. The max effective range on an AR-15 is 600 meters, and they allowed an unsecured rooftop at 150 meters? This cannot be a simple mistake. There needs to be a full investigation and prosecutions for these people who are attempting to clear the path for assassins.

Has anyone thought about making AR-15s illegal?

Oh, right. Republicans want to keep them and have more people own them.

I consider myself anti-gun, but the reflexive urge to turn this into a gun control legislation debate is silly to me. You know what the shooter did was already super illegal, right?

If you look at nations that successfully reduce violence, they don't do it by recovering all the guns in the country. They do it by having a strong and effective police force and by having severe criminal penalties for violent crimes. We have done the opposite and violence is exploding.

Dont be ridiculous. They do it by not be awash in guns actually. No safe nation on earth has as many guns as the US has. Any idiot who breathes here can go on and purchase an arsenal of war weapons and in many states can go around armed without any checks and any permits. There’s no amount of police that can keep up safe with all the weapons around. There’s no reason a regular 20 yr old should have an AR-15 if not in the Army

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Anonymous wrote:Sad that this kid has potential (from initial reporting. Bright?). Deranged obviously, but something pathological or more an extremist type insanity - ie Trump derangement syndrome. Probably believed he was saving the world ie crusader. Killed an innocent and injured two more. How do we get back to civics and dialogue? Teach them? Model them?

His father was a therapist so he should have been well equipped to deal with his son’s problems.

I imagine if he saw this coming he would have done anything to avert this. His son died horribly, as did the bystander .

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The shooter donated to Act Blue on the day Biden was inaugurated.

Yeah, but he registered as a Republican after that.

So he could vote against Trump in the primary.

I did that here in Massachusetts, I'm still a registered Republican here because it helps me stay in the loop with Republican propaganda - I get dozens of emails every day from RNC and whoever they sell their mailing list to.

I voted for Olympia Snowe back in the day, but haven't voted for a Republican in decades. Am an independent voter at heart and always have been.

Let's wait and see what, if anything, can be gleaned from law enforcement interviews with his family, friends, coworkers, former teachers, etc. He might have been mentally ill and it was a Hinckley type thing, or he might have been a misguided kid who thought he was going to be doing his country a solid.

In the first few pages I questioned if this event was real or a publicity stunt, based on the first footage, it seeming unreal, and knowing that Trump is a reality-star, felon, showman. Clearly now, after details emerged and learning of the tragic deaths and injuries to bystanders, I don’t believe it was staged but rather that it’s an awful, unacceptable event in American politics.

I will never vote for Trump. But I can have sympathy for him after this. I don’t want to see him assassinated. I just don’t want him leading our country. I want him to retire to his golf course at Mar-a-Lago and leave our country alone.

I’m certainly not a crazy, irrational leftist. I’m a DC area mom worried about the future for my kids. I don’t trust anything from Trump. So the posts on here questioning whether this was real are not all crazy trolls. It shows we don’t believe anything out of Trump until corroborated by legitimate news services. He’s a liar and a terrible human. But he shouldn’t be assassinated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump Just Created One of the Most Iconic Photos in U.S. History

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1pVVk4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f2f0910155894b52a787c14dbddbcb3e&ei=29

I don’t care what you think of his politics—former President Donald Trump just struck one of the most iconic poses in U.S. history.

His fist-raised salute of defiance is surely enough to win him re-election to the White House. Especially if the American people have to choose between a doddering incumbent and the man who got to his feet seconds after an assassination attempt and punched the air with blood trickling down his face.

Make no mistake, the image of a bloodstained Trump standing with one arm aloft instantly takes its place alongside the greatest photos in American history.

He was an idiot for vying for the crowd and camera while someone was trying to kill him. You may find it iconic. I find it a sign of his idiocy.

Trump's martyr moment: Assassination attempt transforms campaign

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/14/trump-assassination-attempt-martyr-rnc




The Attempt on Donald Trump’s Life and an Image That Will Last

The bloodied former President, his fist raised, flanked by an American flag, is already an indelible portrait of our era of political crisis and conflict.

Almost immediately after shots rang out at Donald Trump’s rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, the former President flinched onstage, grabbed at his face, and dropped to the ground. In the chaotic moments that followed, Trump was helped to his feet by Secret Service agents, and delivered definitive proof of life: he raised his right fist toward the sky and mouthed to the crowd, “Fight.” In the news photo that circulated shortly after, taken by Evan Vucci, of the Associated Press, Trump is set against a clear blue sky and four Secret Service agents clutch at him, one of whom stares directly at the camera, his eyes shielded by a pair of black sunglasses. An American flag appears to almost float over the scene. Trump’s lips are pursed, his eyes narrowed, and his chin slightly raised. There are streaks of blood atop his right ear, and on his cheek. He is looking out far beyond what the camera can take in—at the public, at the future—and he is defiant. Whoever tried to kill him failed. It is already the indelible image of our era of political crisis and conflict.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-attempt-on-donald-trumps-life-and-an-image-that-will-last

It’s already an iconic photo worldwide.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to get his own security. Democrats are trying to remove his right to USSS protection, Myorkas is denying increases for protection, and now there's been an assassination attempt from a rooftop 150 yards from his podium. The Penn state police said that rooftop wasn't part of the perimeter-- what? It's USSS and Law Enforcement's job to CREATE an adequate perimeter. The max effective range on an AR-15 is 600 meters, and they allowed an unsecured rooftop at 150 meters? This cannot be a simple mistake. There needs to be a full investigation and prosecutions for these people who are attempting to clear the path for assassins.

Has anyone thought about making AR-15s illegal?

Oh, right. Republicans want to keep them and have more people own them.

I consider myself anti-gun, but the reflexive urge to turn this into a gun control legislation debate is silly to me. You know what the shooter did was already super illegal, right?

+1

Criminals don’t follow laws.

So let’s get rid of laws.

SCOTUS is working hard on it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to get his own security. Democrats are trying to remove his right to USSS protection, Myorkas is denying increases for protection, and now there's been an assassination attempt from a rooftop 150 yards from his podium. The Penn state police said that rooftop wasn't part of the perimeter-- what? It's USSS and Law Enforcement's job to CREATE an adequate perimeter. The max effective range on an AR-15 is 600 meters, and they allowed an unsecured rooftop at 150 meters? This cannot be a simple mistake. There needs to be a full investigation and prosecutions for these people who are attempting to clear the path for assassins.

Has anyone thought about making AR-15s illegal?

Oh, right. Republicans want to keep them and have more people own them.

I consider myself anti-gun, but the reflexive urge to turn this into a gun control legislation debate is silly to me. You know what the shooter did was already super illegal, right?

+1

Criminals don’t follow laws.

So let’s get rid of laws.

Anonymous wrote:Trump Just Created One of the Most Iconic Photos in U.S. History

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-u-s-history/ar-BB1pVVk4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f2f0910155894b52a787c14dbddbcb3e&ei=29

I don’t care what you think of his politics—former President Donald Trump just struck one of the most iconic poses in U.S. history.

His fist-raised salute of defiance is surely enough to win him re-election to the White House. Especially if the American people have to choose between a doddering incumbent and the man who got to his feet seconds after an assassination attempt and punched the air with blood trickling down his face.

Make no mistake, the image of a bloodstained Trump standing with one arm aloft instantly takes its place alongside the greatest photos in American history.

He was pulled to his feet by the Secret Service. Let's not pretend that a 300-pound 77-year old sprung to his feet. BTW, did he get his shoe back? The audio will also be iconic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump needs to get his own security. Democrats are trying to remove his right to USSS protection, Myorkas is denying increases for protection, and now there's been an assassination attempt from a rooftop 150 yards from his podium. The Penn state police said that rooftop wasn't part of the perimeter-- what? It's USSS and Law Enforcement's job to CREATE an adequate perimeter. The max effective range on an AR-15 is 600 meters, and they allowed an unsecured rooftop at 150 meters? This cannot be a simple mistake. There needs to be a full investigation and prosecutions for these people who are attempting to clear the path for assassins.

Has anyone thought about making AR-15s illegal?

Oh, right. Republicans want to keep them and have more people own them.

There are 400 million guns in America. You're a fool if you think banning them will work.

Switzerland has a ton of guns too. But it regulates them pretty strictly. For one you have to register guns. And another the permitting process is a lot stricter. If you’ve been convicted of a crime or have a history of drug addiction you can’t own one. People who are deemed dangerous and violent cannot get one. Local police with whom gun owners must be registered will sometimes consult psychiatrists before deciding whether someone can own a gun.

Switzerland has not had a mass shooting since 2001.