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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.

Oh really?

And yet we still have the waterfront in Old Town. Why hasn't it been swept into the ocean at this point?

The waterfront that regularly gets flooded?

And yet they still appear to have buildings there. How is this happening?

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

Dude. Busy professionals do not have time to turn a simple Caps/Wizards game into a 5-6 hour excursion. Not happening. Even a partial season ticket holder at 10-20 games is not spending the time. For comparison, this busy professional gave up highly desirable Redskins season tickets because did not want to spend all day Sunday at a game, and could not even give away the tickets. I know dozens of former season ticket holders who made the same decision.

And yet the stadium is sold out every weekend.

Narrator: the commanders had their first sellout in many, many years this season when Miami fans packed the stadium.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

Dude. Busy professionals do not have time to turn a simple Caps/Wizards game into a 5-6 hour excursion. Not happening. Even a partial season ticket holder at 10-20 games is not spending the time. For comparison, this busy professional gave up highly desirable Redskins season tickets because did not want to spend all day Sunday at a game, and could not even give away the tickets. I know dozens of former season ticket holders who made the same decision.

And yet the stadium is sold out every weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.

Oh really?

And yet we still have the waterfront in Old Town. Why hasn't it been swept into the ocean at this point?

The waterfront that regularly gets flooded?

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.

Oh really?

And yet we still have the waterfront in Old Town. Why hasn't it been swept into the ocean at this point?

The waterfront that regularly gets flooded?

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

Rich people do not take parking shuttles.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.

Oh really?

And yet we still have the waterfront in Old Town. Why hasn't it been swept into the ocean at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

Dude. Busy professionals do not have time to turn a simple Caps/Wizards game into a 5-6 hour excursion. Not happening. Even a partial season ticket holder at 10-20 games is not spending the time. For comparison, this busy professional gave up highly desirable Redskins season tickets because did not want to spend all day Sunday at a game, and could not even give away the tickets. I know dozens of former season ticket holders who made the same decision.

And yet the stadium is sold out every weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

Dude. Busy professionals do not have time to turn a simple Caps/Wizards game into a 5-6 hour excursion. Not happening. Even a partial season ticket holder at 10-20 games is not spending the time. For comparison, this busy professional gave up highly desirable Redskins season tickets because did not want to spend all day Sunday at a game, and could not even give away the tickets. I know dozens of former season ticket holders who made the same decision.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

Dude. Busy professionals do not have time to turn a simple Caps/Wizards game into a 5-6 hour excursion. Not happening. Even a partial season ticket holder at 10-20 games is not spending the time. For comparison, this busy professional gave up highly desirable Redskins season tickets because did not want to spend all day Sunday at a game, and could not even give away the tickets. I know dozens of former season ticket holders who made the same decision.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?

There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.

DP, but you think, given everything, people will

1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from

Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.

Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.

I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

There are concerts at Citi Field (and previously at Shea Stadium) by LGA all the time.

+1 There are outdoor concert venues all over the world near airports or landing/takeoff routes. I don't see why this one is any different.

It is A LOT closer and more directly under the flight paths than LGA for example.

It is not going to be under the flight path. Pilots must fly up the river and make a final turn onto the runway.

https://simpleflying.com/washington-national-airport-piloting-guide/

Look at the schematic of the arena on the twitter link posted above. The music venue is practically under the runway.

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.

Oh really?

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Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.

Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.

That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.

If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.

As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.

lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.

Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.

Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.

The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.

The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.

There are concerts at Citi Field (and previously at Shea Stadium) by LGA all the time.

+1 There are outdoor concert venues all over the world near airports or landing/takeoff routes. I don't see why this one is any different.

It is A LOT closer and more directly under the flight paths than LGA for example.

It is not going to be under the flight path. Pilots must fly up the river and make a final turn onto the runway.

https://simpleflying.com/washington-national-airport-piloting-guide/