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Anonymous wrote:Wow so many DCUM ladies triggered by Kate. I’m guessing they see parts of her personality and relationship with Toby in themselves.

No the character is just annoying now. It kinda ruins the show because her and Phillip have zero chemistry and Toby is just trying to provide and she can’t stop playing the victim card over and over again. The divorce just feels shoehorned in at the last minute.

Toby and Kate had a reason to get together, at least, with the weight loss being the catalyst. Kate and Phillip getting together is just out of the blue and unrealistic.

I live in Los Angeles with a neurotypical child and one with special needs and I found it very unrealistic that she was unwilling to move to San Francisco with Toby. She would not be able to live in that house and only work part-time as a teacher’s aide without a substantial second income. She was being selfish, plain and simple. It was completely unrealistic that Toby could take job paying much less and then afford two houses even if Kate took a full time job. Teachers don’t make that much at these schools.

I thought the most unrealistic part was that Toby after months in a great position in San Francisco couldn’t find another similar job in LA. It’s LA, not Akron.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow so many DCUM ladies triggered by Kate. I’m guessing they see parts of her personality and relationship with Toby in themselves.

No the character is just annoying now. It kinda ruins the show because her and Phillip have zero chemistry and Toby is just trying to provide and she can’t stop playing the victim card over and over again. The divorce just feels shoehorned in at the last minute.

Toby and Kate had a reason to get together, at least, with the weight loss being the catalyst. Kate and Phillip getting together is just out of the blue and unrealistic.

I live in Los Angeles with a neurotypical child and one with special needs and I found it very unrealistic that she was unwilling to move to San Francisco with Toby. She would not be able to live in that house and only work part-time as a teacher’s aide without a substantial second income. She was being selfish, plain and simple. It was completely unrealistic that Toby could take job paying much less and then afford two houses even if Kate took a full time job. Teachers don’t make that much at these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always thought the teenage Kate actress bore such a remarkable resemblance to current Kate. This episode really highlighted that to me.

Yep. Mentioned many, many pages ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

Honestly, it would not surprise me to learn that Big Green Egg got it's lawyers involved. A thirty year old hand me down Crock Pot with a known defect that someone forgot to unplug, eh, not really representative overall of the product. Nor is exercise equipment used by a guy with a heart condition (not to mention the raft of articles that pointed out not having an AED or calling 911 was headscratching), but a HUGE, expensive smoker thing blowing up in your yard at your BBQ and injuring a child, that's a bit of different animal.

Imaginations run wild here. Geez. If anything, blind Jack would have maybe bumped into the egg. It wasn’t going to explode.

No chance the green egg people yanked the story line. This PR is the best thing to happen to that company TBH. Ditto for Pelaton, heck, even Crockpot.

The writers did not hastily write this last season. That’s not how TV works.

Jack's girlfriend said it blew up his parents entire marriage and there were multiple references to it, discussions about it. And then just...nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

I think it’s a nod to all the little things you remember on an important day. For example, I can tell you what tote bag I carried to the hospital the day my dad died. Such an insignificant thing but a crucial memory of that day.

The Miguel/Rebecca party was the first time Toby was using the egg. He said in a previous show that he’d get it in time for the party. Kate told Kevin that Toby was outside pretending not to know how to light it so he could avoid her. It was an insignificant part to a huge day.

Try to look a little deeper.

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

Honestly, it would not surprise me to learn that Big Green Egg got it's lawyers involved. A thirty year old hand me down Crock Pot with a known defect that someone forgot to unplug, eh, not really representative overall of the product. Nor is exercise equipment used by a guy with a heart condition (not to mention the raft of articles that pointed out not having an AED or calling 911 was headscratching), but a HUGE, expensive smoker thing blowing up in your yard at your BBQ and injuring a child, that's a bit of different animal.

Imaginations run wild here. Geez. If anything, blind Jack would have maybe bumped into the egg. It wasn’t going to explode.

No chance the green egg people yanked the story line. This PR is the best thing to happen to that company TBH. Ditto for Pelaton, heck, even Crockpot.

The writers did not hastily write this last season. That’s not how TV works.

Jack's girlfriend said it blew up his parents entire marriage and there were multiple references to it, discussions about it. And then just...nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

Honestly, it would not surprise me to learn that Big Green Egg got it's lawyers involved. A thirty year old hand me down Crock Pot with a known defect that someone forgot to unplug, eh, not really representative overall of the product. Nor is exercise equipment used by a guy with a heart condition (not to mention the raft of articles that pointed out not having an AED or calling 911 was headscratching), but a HUGE, expensive smoker thing blowing up in your yard at your BBQ and injuring a child, that's a bit of different animal.

Imaginations run wild here. Geez. If anything, blind Jack would have maybe bumped into the egg. It wasn’t going to explode.

No chance the green egg people yanked the story line. This PR is the best thing to happen to that company TBH. Ditto for Pelaton, heck, even Crockpot.

The writers did not hastily write this last season. That’s not how TV works.

Anonymous wrote:I've always thought the teenage Kate actress bore such a remarkable resemblance to current Kate. This episode really highlighted that to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

Honestly, it would not surprise me to learn that Big Green Egg got it's lawyers involved. A thirty year old hand me down Crock Pot with a known defect that someone forgot to unplug, eh, not really representative overall of the product. Nor is exercise equipment used by a guy with a heart condition (not to mention the raft of articles that pointed out not having an AED or calling 911 was headscratching), but a HUGE, expensive smoker thing blowing up in your yard at your BBQ and injuring a child, that's a bit of different animal.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).

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Anonymous wrote:Wow so many DCUM ladies triggered by Kate. I’m guessing they see parts of her personality and relationship with Toby in themselves.

No, they just want to criticize the fat girl. The final frontier in terms of people they’re still allowed to mock!

Anonymous wrote:My MIL has dementia. She does not believe that she has any children because she now thinks she is a younger woman. She thinks DH is her husband or brother. It would not be unusual for Rebecca to think Nicky might be her father and Kevin her husband.

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Anonymous wrote:I just caught up on the last three episodes. Couple random thoughts…

- with all the talk about the flash forward deathbed scene(s) I figured they’d revisited it. I can’t believe how much analysis some of the people on this board have done for a couple episodes way back when.
- I’m surprised no one mentioned how chubby jack was in the Phillip proposal scene. Toby’s worst fear came true and his kid got fat, but he outgrew it or got it under control because he’s fit in the later years.

I thought I had another observation but can’t remember it now.

I think the fat Jack kid was miscast. He didn’t look like the younger or older Jacks.

Maybe miscast but I am 100% sure that making him chubby was intentional based on the tension the whole food issue created between Kate and Toby.

Young Jack has blond hair, grown-up Jack has light brown hair, and 8 year old Jack had dark brown hair? Super weird casting.

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Anonymous wrote:Toby and Phillip have better chemistry than Kate and Phillip.

That is a true statement.