Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:57
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/
member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.
"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.
Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.
They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.
No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.
No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?
And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/
And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.
Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.
I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.
Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books
DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?
Why are most of the banned books simple children’s picture books that feature Black people and gay people, no sex acts whatsoever?
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:54
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/
member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.
"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.
Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.
They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.
No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.
No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?
And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/
And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.
Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.
I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.
Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books
DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?
These parents are objecting to Hustler in school libraries? Okay, fine. I don't know who is putting Hustler in school libraries, but I doubt you will find anyone who thinks that is fine. Please share the link to the story where someone added that to a school library.
Also, please tell me more about the image of sex acts in Art Spiegelman's Maus. I couldn't find such images in my edition so perhaps you are aware of an alternate, sexually explicit edition that is ending up in school libraries across the country. Because obviously, as per your post, these parents are objecting to Maus only because the edition in their school contain images of sex acts. I'd be interesting in hearing about it and await your answer.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:28
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/
member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.
"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.
Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.
They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.
No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.
No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?
And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/
And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.
Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.
I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.
Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books
DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?
You seem to be arguing against sex ed in school. Is that your ultimate goal?
Have you ever read Miller v California?
I do think it’s fascinating that you talk only about images rather than text. There’s a dissertation topic waiting to be written.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:22
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/
member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.
"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.
Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.
They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.
No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.
No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?
And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/
And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.
Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.
I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.
Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books
DP. Parents are objecting to books that show images of sex acts in school libraries. Do you have a problem with Hustler in school libraries? Do you object to all images of sex acts in schooo libraries? What images do you think are acceptable in schools? Where is the line for you?
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:15
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh America! I mean it is Florida, but still.
https://www.rawstory.com/banned-books-in-florida/
member of the Flagler County, Florida school board has filed a criminal complaint over four copies of an LGBTQ book recommended for 14 to 18 year olds, claiming it violates the state's obscenity laws.
"My concern is for the children of Flagler County," Jill Woolbright claims, according to the Palm Coast Observer. "This book needs to be investigated as a crime in our media center. This is pretty heavy stuff, violating our own policies.
Book banning. I don’t think you really understand the meaning of the phrase. It is impossible for a school to ban a book. Sure, it can exclude a book from its library and not make it a part of the curriculum on the grounds that a significant portion of parents believe that reading “great literature” containing descriptions of fisting and the like is not necessary to become educated. But these books are still available in the marketplace. In fact, parents are free to expose their own children to pornographic material to whatever extent they choose. But schools should not make the consumption of these materials compulsory and are not obligated to make them freely available. This is really not a complicated issue.
They know all of this. There are certain people who have kept this thread alive for years because they are so desperate for the state to provide sexual material to other people’s children. Of course they likely don’t even have children.
No, it is about free speech and exchange of ideas. Things the right was supposed to be so adamant about when wanting a nativity scene on public space.
No. It’s about sexual content. Why not put hustler in the school library if you are a free speech absolutist?
And please spare us the nonsense that book banning is only coming from one side.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/11/03/to-kill-a-mockingbird-book-ban-removal-washington/
And you support banning the Bible in school libraries, correct? If not you are a hypocrite.
Of course. As an atheist I believe that no religion should be promoted to children in public schools.
I notice that you didn’t respond to my question. Why not provide hustler to your kids in school, you support that right? Or perhaps you’re the hypocrite.
Anyone who compares Hustler to the books that Moms for “Liberty” are trying to remove from school libraries and classrooms is not arguing in good faith. And clearly also not a lover of books
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:12
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
My bet is these teachers would say that Gender Queer is a wonderful book for their students.
Sad that some teachers can't recognize the classics anymore.
Many teachers still do, thankfully.
Pay attention to what your children are being taught.
Meh that’s why we have a bookcase stocked with all sorts of books in our house and also why we take our kids to the library, to find other books. Do you mean to tell me you don’t???
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:09
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
OMG. I can't even with your moving the goalposts every time Democrats are caught being hypocrites - which is every single day. You people are such a joke.
DP
Okay?
“Banning” is a real word with a specific meaning. What these teachers did isn’t “banning.” What the Orwellian named “Moms for Liberty” is doing is banning. Several elected Republicans have been giddy about banning and burning books.
Your party is fascist.
Tell us the meaning of the word "ban."
I don't see any difference in what these two sides are doing. One group works to "ban" sexually explicit books from school libraries. The other group seeks to ban classics like To Kill a Mockingbird from school libraries.
How are these any different?
Who is banning To Kill A Mockingbird from school libraries? I’ve heard of teachers who after students shared their reaction to it asked to remove it from the *required* reading list. I have not heard of these same teachers seeking to prevent students from getting access to it in school libraries.
Is Moms For Liberty just trying to take books off required reading lists or are they trying to prevent students from being able to get their hands on a copy in the school library?
Should be a simple question to answer.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 09:05
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:If it weren't for double standards, democrats would have no standards at all. - Chris Plante
Just like the Republicans. —anonymous internet poster
Anonymous
11/07/2023 08:14
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
If it weren't for double standards, democrats would have no standards at all. - Chris Plante
Anonymous
11/07/2023 08:07
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
OMG. I can't even with your moving the goalposts every time Democrats are caught being hypocrites - which is every single day. You people are such a joke.
DP
Okay?
“Banning” is a real word with a specific meaning. What these teachers did isn’t “banning.” What the Orwellian named “Moms for Liberty” is doing is banning. Several elected Republicans have been giddy about banning and burning books.
Your party is fascist.
Tell us the meaning of the word "ban."
I don't see any difference in what these two sides are doing. One group works to "ban" sexually explicit books from school libraries. The other group seeks to ban classics like To Kill a Mockingbird from school libraries.
How are these any different?
Anonymous
11/07/2023 07:48
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
OMG. I can't even with your moving the goalposts every time Democrats are caught being hypocrites - which is every single day. You people are such a joke.
DP
Okay?
“Banning” is a real word with a specific meaning. What these teachers did isn’t “banning.” What the Orwellian named “Moms for Liberty” is doing is banning. Several elected Republicans have been giddy about banning and burning books.
Your party is fascist.
Anonymous
11/07/2023 07:46
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
My bet is these teachers would say that Gender Queer is a wonderful book for their students.
Sad that some teachers can't recognize the classics anymore.
Many teachers still do, thankfully.
Pay attention to what your children are being taught.
Always back to Gender Queer, never to address the hundreds of books about Black people, LGBTQ and Jewish and Muslim people the fascists have actually banned.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:36
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
OMG. I can't even with your moving the goalposts every time Democrats are caught being hypocrites - which is every single day. You people are such a joke.
DP
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:18
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.
My bet is these teachers would say that Gender Queer is a wonderful book for their students.
Sad that some teachers can't recognize the classics anymore.
Many teachers still do, thankfully.
Pay attention to what your children are being taught.
Anonymous
11/06/2023 22:15
Subject: Seriously with the book banning ?
Anonymous wrote:Awfully quiet in here.
Is it?
Sounds like teachers don’t think that book is a useful resource in the classroom anymore. That’s not banning.
The struggle for fascists to feel like not fascists is real, I’m sure, but I also think you guys are currently beyond redemption.