Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:41     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I only tuned into this for about 10 minutes last night but the bit about John Ramsey calling for his private plane in the fresh hours of the crime bothered me to no end. Took my mind immediately to the idea that he accidentally killed her and then both parents staged the sexual assault/wrote the letter to cover it. It makes sense to me that they would see that as preferable to him going to jail.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:41     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
86 pages of pure conjecture. People, GET A LIFE!
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:40     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
If Burke did it, wouldn't all the lights in the house have immediately gone on as they scrambled to deal with the situation? Did anyone report seeing lights on?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:34     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!


This one is GOOD. They have a really great panel of experts.

One thing that struck me too is that Priscilla and Fleet White wouldn't go on camera but this couple eventually turned against the Ramseys. Not sure how or why or what caused that but I would really be interested in hearing whatever they have to say.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:28     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I didn't watch the first part last night but reading some excerpts. The suspense is killing me!
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:25     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Let's say it was Burke. What are the reasons you would stage this as a kidnapping to protect your son vs. call 9-11?

Could John have been gone for that one hour and a half trying to get the body out of the house?


I don't understand why they didn't call 911 either. Maybe they were worried that the system might take their son away from them and that the legal fees would bankrupt them?

Maybe they didn't realize right away what had happened and by the time they came across JonBenet they thought it was too late?

It doesn't make sense. But people do crazy things when they are in panic mode.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:18     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
eh, no one has ever suggested that Burke staged that scene.

A grown up did that. And it is possible that a grown up did that to make it appear that a grown man committed the crime.

I'm sure that John Ramsey was the one in contact with lawyer friends. Not that there is anything inherently wrong with having and listening to lawyer friends.

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:15     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Let's say it was Burke. What are the reasons you would stage this as a kidnapping to protect your son vs. call 9-11?

Could John have been gone for that one hour and a half trying to get the body out of the house?
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:07     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Make it simple. It was either an intruder it wasn't. What is more likely: a nine year old boy staged all this, invited people over, waited around for a call, hired a lawyer etc ect, or that is was the work of a much more sophisticated person -- John Ramsey. How would Santa have gotten into the house? Certainly not through that window.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:04     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I don't put much stock in the whole Burke being awake thing. What did you find, might just be him asking what they found - patsy said they found a note. They might have told him to go back to bed to protect him/keep him away from talking to the police - it's clear he is a little odd so maybe they didn't think he could handle it. The sounding rehearsed thing too - it's not implausible that she said, I called the police now what do we do? Meaning do we get the money, etc.

And I firmly believe the family did it. I just don't put much stock in this part of it. I think the fact that parents did not wake up to all the clatter and moving about in the night makes the entire thing so implausible it's impossible. The killer could not have done all this in the dark first of all. And I could never sleep through steps up and down the stairs, banging of doors, lights on and off, the fridge opening and closing... I mean, come on. Also, why were they not all packed and ready to go that morning? All their stuff should've been in the car already. They pushed the timeline too far.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 10:01     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
If he had the flashlight in his hand - maybe his mom had told the kids to go downstairs and bring up luggage and the wrapped Christmas presents - and JonBenet pushed his buttons in some way and he just konked her on the head without thinking.

He doesn't strike me as a kid who purposely hurts people/animals.

I have kids too and I've seen them fuss at each other over the years and I also was having a hard time wrapping my head around a kid doing this to his sister - That was a HARD blow. But I guess if it was possible for Burke to have inflicted that awful wound then I guess it was possible that he did it. After hearing the pathologist last night it is no longer off the table that Burke could have done this. At least for me.

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 09:47     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



This does make sense, but the problem is this would imply that this was an accident staged as a murder, and what the evidence shows is that this was a murder staged as a sex assault/kidnapping.

There is no evidence anything accidental happened. No fall, no tumble down the stairs. The blow to her head is what killed her. The chances of her having a soft blow to the head that was an accident in the exact same place as the brutal blunt force object doesn't make sense. So the accident theory has a hard time holding up.


JonBenet could have picked up one of Burke's new Christmas toys which made him mad. He could have grabbed the flashlight and hit her with it not intending to kill her but to get her to drop the toy. It would be an intentional accident, an accidentally on purpose sort of thing.

I don't think that anyone is saying that the parents or brother would have plotted to kill JonBenet. If the killer was a family member, I don't think that there was any intention to kill her. They struck her out of momentary and highly uncharacteristic anger. The preceding days had been very busy, there was still packing to do, loading up of the car, etc. I'm sure that everyone was a bit overtired - especially the kids.



I guess. It was a brutal hit with a heavy object though. My kids fight - they push and save. It is hard for me to picture a boy with no history of violent behavior (or future, now that we have 20 years of hindsight in our favor), to be this brutal with this sister. Hit her, kick her, shove her, slap her, pinch her, yes. Bash her head with a heavy flashlight? It is possible, but still a long shot.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 09:28     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



This does make sense, but the problem is this would imply that this was an accident staged as a murder, and what the evidence shows is that this was a murder staged as a sex assault/kidnapping.

There is no evidence anything accidental happened. No fall, no tumble down the stairs. The blow to her head is what killed her. The chances of her having a soft blow to the head that was an accident in the exact same place as the brutal blunt force object doesn't make sense. So the accident theory has a hard time holding up.


JonBenet could have picked up one of Burke's new Christmas toys which made him mad. He could have grabbed the flashlight and hit her with it not intending to kill her but to get her to drop the toy. It would be an intentional accident, an accidentally on purpose sort of thing.

I don't think that anyone is saying that the parents or brother would have plotted to kill JonBenet. If the killer was a family member, I don't think that there was any intention to kill her. They struck her out of momentary and highly uncharacteristic anger. The preceding days had been very busy, there was still packing to do, loading up of the car, etc. I'm sure that everyone was a bit overtired - especially the kids.

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 08:57     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



This does make sense, but the problem is this would imply that this was an accident staged as a murder, and what the evidence shows is that this was a murder staged as a sex assault/kidnapping.

There is no evidence anything accidental happened. No fall, no tumble down the stairs. The blow to her head is what killed her. The chances of her having a soft blow to the head that was an accident in the exact same place as the brutal blunt force object doesn't make sense. So the accident theory has a hard time holding up.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 08:34     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
And the sexual assault was meant to show that a male did this. But the complicated rope knots showed that it was an adult male, not a kid.

So, in other words, the staging would imply that it was NOT Patsy and NOT Burke. That would leave John as the only potential suspect in the home who would have to deal with the police.