Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:19
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
DP, but you think, given everything, people will
1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from
Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.
Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.
I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!
I am a die hard Caps fan. I have been going to games since I was a kid at the Cap Cenre in the 1970's. I have been a Season Ticket Holder since they moved downtown. I go to over 30 games a year. The people all around me at my seats are in the same boat. We all know each other, we all swap tickets when we want to bring bigger groups etc.
NONE of the people around my seats will be following the team to Potomac Yards. What is now a 25 minute metro ride and an over all 3 1/2 event experience would become untenable at Potomac Yards. People would not be able to leave work early enough to make opening face off, and that is assuming access is smooth. Anyone going via Route 1 or who has to cross a bridge, regardless of which one, faces the risk of severe back ups to get to Alexandria. And for the seat neighbors who live in Fairfax, they won't drive it and won't incur the extra half our to transfer on the metro.
Ours is a group of about 20 seats in one section of the arena. I highly doubt our conversations have been unique amongst the ticket holders.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:19
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.
There are concerts at Citi Field (and previously at Shea Stadium) by LGA all the time.
+1 There are outdoor concert venues all over the world near airports or landing/takeoff routes. I don't see why this one is any different.
It is A LOT closer and more directly under the flight paths than LGA for example.
It is not going to be under the flight path. Pilots must fly up the river and make a final turn onto the runway.
https://simpleflying.com/washington-national-airport-piloting-guide/
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:17
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
Rich people do not take parking shuttles.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:15
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
DP, but you think, given everything, people will
1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from
Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.
Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.
lol $20 parking for an event.
That was for an external lot. I am sure the 2500 spaces for the arena will be in excess of $100.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:14
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.
You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.
Oh really?
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:13
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
DP, but you think, given everything, people will
1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from
Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.
Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.
lol $20 parking for an event.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:11
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
DP, but you think, given everything, people will
1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from
Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.
Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.
I personally would not but if you consider what it's like taking a trip from Dulles...Good God. I hate flying out of that airport but I do because I want to get to my travel destinations. Never underestimate the power of desire. For fans who want to see their team play, I think they would do this if you market the right way. I would never travel to specific NFL fields because of how inconvenient it is (Soldier Field as I'm from Chicago for example) and yet, people do. I think maybe the Wizards would be hurting because their fans tend to be more urban. But for Caps, I think if they play great, people would do this absolutely. I also think there's a difference n talking about the average person who sees a game out of sheer entertainment and convenience which in DC makes sense. These people would likely not do the above. But there's a lot of people in NOVA/DC and I would even suggest die hard Cap fans in MD who could feasibly do this. Again, I would not do it but not sure how much different it is than going to see a game or doing something that does take a really long time and isn't easy to do but ultimately, you are doing something to see what you want. People have done much crazier stuff!!
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:06
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
People from Maryland and DC don't understand how to use busses. At least, that's what I expect to hear.
it isn't about not wanting to use them, but rather the comparison to Gallery Place and other venues around the region, this one is just a tough sell logistically.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:05
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.
There are concerts at Citi Field (and previously at Shea Stadium) by LGA all the time.
+1 There are outdoor concert venues all over the world near airports or landing/takeoff routes. I don't see why this one is any different.
It is A LOT closer and more directly under the flight paths than LGA for example.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:04
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Sadly, DC and the Park Service did not maintain the popular Carter Baron Amphitheater in Rock Creek Park. That’s another reason why people go to the suburbs for cultural events.
There is actually a campaign underway to bring it back up to a 21st Century facility
https://www.rockcreekconservancy.org/carter-barron-alliance
Anonymous
12/19/2023 10:03
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
DP, but you think, given everything, people will
1) drive from where they are, 30-90 minutes
2) park in some external lot ($20+)
3) wait for a bus
4) ride a bus
5) go to event
6) wait in line for bus
7) ride bus
8)get car
9) drive back to where they came from
Ted is making what had been a 3-4 hour time committment to attend an event into an all day bonanza.
Most people understand that, which is why the teams are being told from their plan holders, that they will not be making this move.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 09:55
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
People from Maryland and DC don't understand how to use busses. At least, that's what I expect to hear.
It's also typical that the parking lots will be 3/4 DC and MD plates while they complain about VA.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 09:50
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
People from Maryland and DC don't understand how to use busses. At least, that's what I expect to hear.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 09:49
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
You think that people are going to flock to a suburban venue without parking?
There is the Metroway BRT which runs by lots of empty office and hotel parking garages. The city and Metro can pay for increased frequency. It’ll be like taking the parking shuttle at Disneyland.
Or I can just see shows at Capital One Hall which has great parking or outdoor shows at wolftrap which also has ample parking
Anonymous
12/19/2023 09:47
Subject: Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were an Alexandria taxpayer, I would be furious over this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This deal is not done, so DC has some hope. Lets pressure the Mayor and DC Council to move aggressively and quickly. Both are important.
Or they can sit back and let the Virginia House of Delegates reject a bad deal, and maybe have a staffer take Teddy’s call when he comes crawling back.
That is not likley if Alexandria is on board.
As an Alexandria taxpayer I like this. City of Alexandria needs to diversify its tax revenue and this will help. Original plans for Potomac Yard envisioned more office buildings in that section, but there’s little demand for new office space and Alexandria is leading the country in office to residential conversions. This whole entertainment district will generate a lot of tax revenue for Alexandria—much more than the empty lots that are currently there.
lol all the tax revenues generated by the project will be used to pay off the hundreds of millions in bond debt that Alexandria will owe to creditors as a result of pitching in to build the facility. Your mayor just sold Alexandria to the bond market for the next 20+ years all while knowing he won’t have to answer to the voters.
Don’t see anything wrong with the revenue from the project being used to pay off bond debt that helped build it.
Right, but Alexandria would be on the hook if the rosy projections of concession and ticket sales do not cover the obligation. Given the difficulty of the location (ie the transportation issues) this is a real risk.
The indoor/outdoor performing arts venue will likely have events almost every day of the year. This will undoubtedly fill Alexandria’s coffers, and pull the renaming musicals and other shows out of downtown DC (namely the National and Warner theaters). Already most prefer to travel to the brand new Capital One Hall in Tysons for shows. Sadly there will just be fewer reasons for a night out on the town in DC with its beautiful architecture and culture. We’ll just drive all the bland new suburban venues. Strathmore, Capital One Hall, the future Potomac Yards performing arts space. Even the Kennedy Center might survive since it’s off of a freeway ramp with a speedy connection to Virginia.
The outdoor music venue under the landing path of National Airport? Ya, that will be real popular.
You can't build an outdoor music venue underwater.