Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 08:24     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?



I think the knots used to make the garrote and the slip knots used on the rope used to bind JonBenet's wrists were part of the staging meant to confuse the detectives. Somebody definitely wanted to make it clear that this was NOT something that a 9 year old kid did. Maybe a hunter or a fisherman? But definitely not a kid did this.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 08:00     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Burke really is the only explanation that makes sense. I don't think he was trying to kill her. They might have been arguing and he just spontaneously grabbed the flashlight and hit her. She could have appeared dead, so maybe when they realized she wasn't, they strangled her so she wouldn't suffer, knowing she would die anyway. They could have told their friends what happened and their friends helped cover it up, not wanting the Ramseys to lose both children.

But, I don't know. you would think they would call 911 after finding she was still alive, no matter how grim her condition seemed. The contraption they used to strangle her also makes no sense. Unless that was something that had been made previously and just happened to be nearby, so they grabbed it? And the ransom note also makes no sense. The only scenario in which the note makes any sense is if the killer was someone outside the family (Santa) and they were forcing Patsy to write it. Maybe it really was going to be a kidnapping and something went wrong after the note was written, but the kiler threatened to kill the rest of the family if they didn't stay quiet?

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 01:03     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find it odd how much crap the Ramsey's had all over their kitchen? They supposedly made and cleaned up after a pancake breakfast that morning but left a tray of bagels laying uncovered on the counter all night??

I love this scene recreation that they've done, it does give you a feel for the house.



I noticed the bagels too, I figured one of the friends had brought those that morning.


I hadn't even thought of a friend bringing a tray of bagels over on the morning of the 26th. Can you imagine? Your good friend calls to tell you that their child has been kidnapped. You immediately hang up the phone, grab a tray of bagels and dash to their house.....??? WTH??



The friends also followed behind the police wiping up fingerprint powder... this circle was an interesting one.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2016 00:11     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think John killed her because he realized that night that she might tell that he was abusing her. John knew he held all the power in the family, so he believed he could keep Patsy and Burke in line. He also was someone who had used his power and money to his advantage before, so knew how to throw his weight around. He enlisted Patsy as an accomplice after the fact and then kept her drugged and terrified ever since. All of this probably contributed to her demise.


John is the only person who could have masterminded this.

I live in a pretty big house, and I know people who live in mansions. Still not seeing an intruder getting so comfy to kill and write letters while in the home.


How many rich powerful white parents don't eventually find the killer? If there is one outside the home.

Can you name one?


The Lindberghs and Gettys may not find their children alive. But they find the culprits.


Like with OJ.

Something something real killer.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:48     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find it odd how much crap the Ramsey's had all over their kitchen? They supposedly made and cleaned up after a pancake breakfast that morning but left a tray of bagels laying uncovered on the counter all night??

I love this scene recreation that they've done, it does give you a feel for the house.



I noticed the bagels too, I figured one of the friends had brought those that morning.


I hadn't even thought of a friend bringing a tray of bagels over on the morning of the 26th. Can you imagine? Your good friend calls to tell you that their child has been kidnapped. You immediately hang up the phone, grab a tray of bagels and dash to their house.....??? WTH??

Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:46     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think John killed her because he realized that night that she might tell that he was abusing her. John knew he held all the power in the family, so he believed he could keep Patsy and Burke in line. He also was someone who had used his power and money to his advantage before, so knew how to throw his weight around. He enlisted Patsy as an accomplice after the fact and then kept her drugged and terrified ever since. All of this probably contributed to her demise.


John is the only person who could have masterminded this.

I live in a pretty big house, and I know people who live in mansions. Still not seeing an intruder getting so comfy to kill and write letters while in the home.


How many rich powerful white parents don't eventually find the killer? If there is one outside the home.

Can you name one?


The Lindberghs and Gettys may not find their children alive. But they find the culprits.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:41     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think John killed her because he realized that night that she might tell that he was abusing her. John knew he held all the power in the family, so he believed he could keep Patsy and Burke in line. He also was someone who had used his power and money to his advantage before, so knew how to throw his weight around. He enlisted Patsy as an accomplice after the fact and then kept her drugged and terrified ever since. All of this probably contributed to her demise.


John is the only person who could have masterminded this.

I live in a pretty big house, and I know people who live in mansions. Still not seeing an intruder getting so comfy to kill and write letters while in the home.


How many rich powerful white parents don't eventually find the killer? If there is one outside the home.

Can you name one?
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:39     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find it odd how much crap the Ramsey's had all over their kitchen? They supposedly made and cleaned up after a pancake breakfast that morning but left a tray of bagels laying uncovered on the counter all night??

I love this scene recreation that they've done, it does give you a feel for the house.



I noticed the bagels too, I figured one of the friends had brought those that morning.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:38     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
On Dr. Phil both Burke and John admitted that Burke was up playing after they got home. John said he went to help him so that he could usher him off to bed. Additionally, she was up eating pineapple at some point after they got back home.

If it was Burke, I wonder if it was during this time John helped him that everything was happening that would have been directly after they arrived home and could explain the December 25th tombstone date.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:37     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anyone else find it odd how much crap the Ramsey's had all over their kitchen? They supposedly made and cleaned up after a pancake breakfast that morning but left a tray of bagels laying uncovered on the counter all night??

I love this scene recreation that they've done, it does give you a feel for the house.

Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:32     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Also, it could have been more to it-- than him just hitting her on the head.. maybe they were playing doctor and things just looked too suspicious for them to call 9-11 right away. Maybe he had started choking her etc... if they were such huge movie buffs as CBS stated, it wouldn't be far fetched for him to try to reenact a scene from a movie and sadly kids don't realize that something like that can truly be fatal if they pull too hard or hit too hard.


My young kids are zonked out at Christmas. I can't imagine JB especially staying up after that party to play. The family had a very busy day. It would be odd for them to be up playing after getting home late from a party. But who knows.

I am one of the Santa believers but it does strike me as odd that they didn't find the body until 1 pm the next day. As a mom, I think my instinct would be to search the house???? And why if one child was kidnapped would you not scream for the other? And run and check on him and wake him up? Burke did say the mom ran into his room but they let him sleep? That is very odd.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:25     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:If the boy did it and it was an accident why wouldn't they just...you know...tell the truth?


It doesn't look like an accident though. The poster who mentioned being pushed down the stairs is obviously not following the case. The autopsy revealed the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. She appeared to have been whacked by a heavy object. She didn't fall down the stairs - there were no other bumps or bruises.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:23     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Where did John disappear to for an hour and a half??? Has that ever been explained?

Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:22     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Also, it could have been more to it-- than him just hitting her on the head.. maybe they were playing doctor and things just looked too suspicious for them to call 9-11 right away. Maybe he had started choking her etc... if they were such huge movie buffs as CBS stated, it wouldn't be far fetched for him to try to reenact a scene from a movie and sadly kids don't realize that something like that can truly be fatal if they pull too hard or hit too hard.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2016 23:10     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:If the boy did it and it was an accident why wouldn't they just...you know...tell the truth?


Well, apparently the head wound was obviously very bad. John and Patsy would have thought that JonBenet was dead. They wouldn't have wanted Burke to be branded as a murderer for life. His life would have been ruined, people would shun him and Patsy/John by extension.

I guess the next step would have been to stage the whole thing to look like something that there is NO WAY a 9 year old kid could have done.