Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 21:05     Subject: Re:Closing USAID

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Anonymous wrote:

This is the first major fraud I think has been uncovered from scrutiny of USAID.

- USAID has funneled $472.6 million through Internews Network (IN).

- IN has worked with 4,291 media outlets, producing 4,799 hours of broadcasts.

- Reached up to 778 million people.

- Trained over 9,000 journalists.

- Supported social media censorship initiatives.

- Offices in over 30 countries, main hubs in US, London, Paris, Kiev, Bangkok, Nairobi.

- Led by Jeanne Bourgault, with a salary of $451k/year.

- Board co-chaired by Richard J. Kessler and Simone Otus Coxe, Democratic donors.

- Launched a $10M fund at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2023.

- Operates at least 6 subsidiaries, one in the Cayman Islands.

- Over 95% of IN's budget since 2008 from the US government.

- Main billing location is an abandoned building in California

- Obvious money-grab and probably doing spook bidding for a long time.


Why is MSM silent?


Because in your entire list the only thing which indicates even potential fraud is the “main billing address” issue and something tells me that won’t hold up to Google.

I know you’re not mad about people getting large salaries and also taking vast sums from the USG otherwise you wouldn’t love Elon so much.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 21:03     Subject: Closing USAID

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TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).


The men engaging in male on male sex would never consider themselves LGB and would not think “anti-LGB” laws affect them. When I was in Afghanistan we were not allowed to even discuss this happening (along with the child rape) as to not offend the Afghans who see male on male sex as religiously acceptable to avoid dirty women. Forced tolerance.

So why don’t we offer free circumcisions to all Americans if it is so necessary for public health?


We do. Where are you joining us from, comrade?
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 20:59     Subject: Re:Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

This is the first major fraud I think has been uncovered from scrutiny of USAID.

- USAID has funneled $472.6 million through Internews Network (IN).

- IN has worked with 4,291 media outlets, producing 4,799 hours of broadcasts.

- Reached up to 778 million people.

- Trained over 9,000 journalists.

- Supported social media censorship initiatives.

- Offices in over 30 countries, main hubs in US, London, Paris, Kiev, Bangkok, Nairobi.

- Led by Jeanne Bourgault, with a salary of $451k/year.

- Board co-chaired by Richard J. Kessler and Simone Otus Coxe, Democratic donors.

- Launched a $10M fund at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2023.

- Operates at least 6 subsidiaries, one in the Cayman Islands.

- Over 95% of IN's budget since 2008 from the US government.

- Main billing location is an abandoned building in California

- Obvious money-grab and probably doing spook bidding for a long time.


Why is MSM silent?


Because there is nothing indicating fraud or corruption in what you state. It’s an organization that’s trained thousands of journalists and worked with thousands of media outlets. The CEO’s salary is pretty reasonable given the organization’s size.

I am not sure why people have come to believe the CIA uses journalists or aid workers - it is prohibited -

“ Prior to the mid-1970s, reportedly it had been a practice of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to use journalists for intelligence collection purposes. However, following the investigations into past U.S. intelligence activities by two congressional select committees (chaired by Senator Frank Church and Representative Otis Pike), it has seemingly been the policy of the intelligence community not to use journalists, clergy, or aid workers for intelligence purposes, other than in “exceptional circumstances.” A declassified CIA regulation from 1987, for example, states that the agency would not use accredited U.S. or foreign journalists, clergy, or Peace Corps workers for intelligence purposes. Open, acknowledged relationships with the clergy and journalists for conducting translation or training services, or (for clergy) religious services, were allowed. (AR 2-2, Law and Policy Governing the Conduct of Intelligence Activities, December 23, 1987, pp. 27-30, at https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0006235713.pdf) The exception to this policy was described in July 1996 testimony for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence by John Deutch, then-Director of Central Intelligence (DCI). Deutch expressed his reluctance to ever use journalists. Nevertheless, he defended maintaining an exception in “extremely rare...highly improbable circumstances” that could result in intelligence enabling disruption of an “extreme threat to the Nation.” [A]s the Director of Central Intelligence, I must be in a position to assure the President and the members of the National Security Council and this country, that there will never come a time when the United States cannot ask a witting citizen, knowledgeable citizen, to assist in combating an extreme threat to the Nation. So I, like all of my predecessors for the last 19 years, have arrived at the conclusion that the Agency should not be prohibited from considering the use of American journalists or clergy in exceptional circumstances. (S. Hrg. 104-593, pp. 6-7)

Legislation
Shortly after Director Deutch’s testimony, in October 1996, Congress included language in the FY1997 Intelligence Authorization Act (P.L. 104-293 §309, codified as 50 U.S.C. §3324) concerning use of journalists in intelligence activities. The provision is captioned “Prohibition on using journalists as agents or assets,” and states that it is the “policy of the United States that an element of the Intelligence Community may not use as an agent or asset for the purposes of collecting intelligence.” The prohibition covers these individuals in the United States or abroad. This provision covers any individual with press credentials of a U.S. media organization or who may be recognized by a foreign government as a representative of a U.S. media organization.”

Cite: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12154/2

Honestly, believing USAID or any subcontractor or grantee is “doing spook bidding” is a level of looney toons equivalent to Comet Pizza binging the center of a pedophile ring.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 20:43     Subject: Closing USAID

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Anonymous wrote:Mike Benz from X:

USAID literally set up fake AIDS prevention workshops to topple foreign governments


That’s only the TIP of the ICEBERG.
Unless you were benefiting from this unbelievably massive corruption scheme, probably only a few people knew what was going on.

Kudos to Mike Benz for his relentless investigations.


I hope Mike Benz gets sued for defamation like Giuliani, Fox News and Alex Jones. He is spreading lies and conspiracy theories.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 20:41     Subject: Closing USAID

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TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).


The men engaging in male on male sex would never consider themselves LGB and would not think “anti-LGB” laws affect them. When I was in Afghanistan we were not allowed to even discuss this happening (along with the child rape) as to not offend the Afghans who see male on male sex as religiously acceptable to avoid dirty women. Forced tolerance.

So why don’t we offer free circumcisions to all Americans if it is so necessary for public health?


Because we essentially do - infant circumcision is generally covered by health insurance.

But, we also are not as concerned about circumcision because people in the US have consistent access to condoms, pre exposure medication and treatment. This is not the case in Mozambique.

Thanks for your inapposite anecdote about Afghanistan. My point was about Mozambique. In Afghanistan, the main at risk subgroups are prostitutes, prisoners and IV drug users - not MSM - so circumcision is not an effective way to prevent spread.
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 20:24     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).


The men engaging in male on male sex would never consider themselves LGB and would not think “anti-LGB” laws affect them. When I was in Afghanistan we were not allowed to even discuss this happening (along with the child rape) as to not offend the Afghans who see male on male sex as religiously acceptable to avoid dirty women. Forced tolerance.

So why don’t we offer free circumcisions to all Americans if it is so necessary for public health?
Anonymous
Post 02/24/2025 20:08     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).


The men engaging in male on male sex would never consider themselves LGB and would not think “anti-LGB” laws affect them. When I was in Afghanistan we were not allowed to even discuss this happening (along with the child rape) as to not offend the Afghans who see male on male sex as religiously acceptable to avoid dirty women. Forced tolerance.

So why don’t we offer free circumcisions to all Americans if it is so necessary for public health?

Circumcisions are necessary for certain religions. That’s how automatic circumcisions became so common throughout the US.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2025 08:57     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).


The men engaging in male on male sex would never consider themselves LGB and would not think “anti-LGB” laws affect them. When I was in Afghanistan we were not allowed to even discuss this happening (along with the child rape) as to not offend the Afghans who see male on male sex as religiously acceptable to avoid dirty women. Forced tolerance.

So why don’t we offer free circumcisions to all Americans if it is so necessary for public health?
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2025 08:01     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:Mike Benz from X:

USAID literally set up fake AIDS prevention workshops to topple foreign governments


That’s only the TIP of the ICEBERG.
Unless you were benefiting from this unbelievably massive corruption scheme, probably only a few people knew what was going on.

Kudos to Mike Benz for his relentless investigations.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2025 06:02     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How much $$$$$$ did USAID “offer” each poor man in Mozambique to do risky surgery on his genitalia?

Why not respect their cultural values, and simply model proper hygiene for both men and women?

Some religions mandate circumcision on their baby boys, but certainly not all.

Again, cultural respect is essential.



THIS

And this is why USAID is disliked by so many overseas. I come from a country that does not normally circumcise. This is one more example of the US imposing its Western values on other countries.

Also agree with the other PP who says corruption is rampant in some countries, which makes it much easier to implement these programs there.

Glad this is all coming out. At the very least there needs to be some honest conversation as to what this agency is doing and WHY we are doing it.

Mike Benz has researched this more than anyone else I know of. Democrats hate getting exposed.
Anonymous
Post 02/23/2025 05:59     Subject: Re:Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:

This is the first major fraud I think has been uncovered from scrutiny of USAID.

- USAID has funneled $472.6 million through Internews Network (IN).

- IN has worked with 4,291 media outlets, producing 4,799 hours of broadcasts.

- Reached up to 778 million people.

- Trained over 9,000 journalists.

- Supported social media censorship initiatives.

- Offices in over 30 countries, main hubs in US, London, Paris, Kiev, Bangkok, Nairobi.

- Led by Jeanne Bourgault, with a salary of $451k/year.

- Board co-chaired by Richard J. Kessler and Simone Otus Coxe, Democratic donors.

- Launched a $10M fund at the Clinton Global Initiative in 2023.

- Operates at least 6 subsidiaries, one in the Cayman Islands.

- Over 95% of IN's budget since 2008 from the US government.

- Main billing location is an abandoned building in California

- Obvious money-grab and probably doing spook bidding for a long time.


Why is MSM silent?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 18:11     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
TEN MILLION DOLLARS for “volunteer male circumcision” in Mozambique.

That’s where our hard earned tax dollars had been funneled. Why???



Because it helps prevent the spread of HIV


Want to know what prevents the spread of HIV almost 100% - not having male on make sex. We aren’t allowed to say this out loud, but it is true.



You are "not allowed to say this out loud," because it is stupid and factually untrue. You are embarrassing yourself. Please educate yourself on HIV.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/about-hiv-and-aids/how-is-hiv-transmitted

I cannot even believe there are Americans this ignorant about HIV/AIDS in this day and age. HIV spreads by blood, semen, rectal or vaginal fluids and breast milk. 52% of all HIV cases globally are women - 18.2 million women. So, stopping male on male sex will not 100% stop the AIDS epidemic.

In the US, 22% of all new HIV infections are among people who report heterosexual contact (15% women, 7% men). 7% of new infections are among people who inject drugs.

Circumcision of men decreases HIV transmission rates by about 50%, because the foreskin has cells that are more vulnerable to HIV infection

Read more here https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1127372/

Helping slow the spread of HIV outside the US is important for many reasons, but generally the biggest one is that HIV infection leads to increased treatment costs (drugs that reduce HIV viral load as well as treatment of AIDS related illnesses) and decreases the productive value of humans (productive value means they work less, earn less and pay fewer taxes). USAID and the USG broadly both at home and abroad sees how it is less costly to prevent or reduce disease than to suffer the consequences of increased spread.

DOGE is focused on line item reductions and doesn't take the time (or have the sense, frankly) to investigate why these investments are made.

It is not some woke group of USAID staffers that came up with a crazy corrupt way to use USG funds. HIV/AIDS prevention is a global effort coordinate among many countries via national governments, international organizations and NGOs, backed by a lot of scientific trials.

You could figure any of this out if you googled and read a range of reliable sources. 15 minutes is all it would take.



Sorry it is 82% of cases. Women get HIV because - you guessed it - the men they have sex with had male on male sexual contact.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7138a1.htm#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20transmission%20category,MMSC%20and%20injection%20drug%20use.

It is absolutely a male on male sexual contact disease that would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact. So no, I do not want to pay for Mozambique men to circumcise themselves to avoid transmission of HIV because they choose to have unprotected male on male sexual contact.


You are misquoting your source which is about large urban clusters. You quote a sub-conclusion based on those select groups, and you conflate IV drug use transmission with MSM transmission. The article opens with this quote -- "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 68% of new HIV diagnoses in the United States in 2020"

Yes, that is more than half of transmission but it is not all. Women do get HIV from men but those men do not always get it from gay men, and women also get HIV from IV drug use.

You say this disease "would be almost eradicated if there was no male on male sexual contact". This isn't correct. Even if you could magically stop all male/male sexual contact, you would still have male/female transmission and IV drug use transmission. In many cases, in less developed countries, in addition to those methods of transmission, there has been medical needle use transmission because medical professionals in poor/less developed countries sometimes have to reuse needles.

Additionally, how would you even propose stopping "male on male sexual contact". Are you going to arrest millions of people? Are you going to break into bedrooms? Are you just going to shame all gay men? Are you going to let them die and hope that "suffering the consequences" of their behavior will get them to stop? What is your idea -- that if gay men all die, HIV will end?

Every good health official knows that it is not possible to end male on male sexual contact. Policies like those I suggested in the previous paragraph just drive this behavior underground, making it harder to educate people about AIDS transmission, harder to get them into treatment (which can greatly decrease transmission) and harder to get them to voluntarily engage in safe sex practices like condoms and circumcision. And, it costs the government & health systems (and therefore taxpayers) far more to address late stage treatment and disease burden on the GDP. That is why health programs do not stigmatize MSM sex. It's not actually productive to reducing HIV transmission.


Health programs should stigmatize highly risky behaviors - like male on male sex. We stigmatize IV drug use, prostitution, drinking while pregnant, etc. so stop the gaslighting. AIDS exists and spreads because we refuse to be honest about the cause. And then we expect US taxpayers to pay for it. This is ludicrous. I cannot believe the billions we have paid so African men can avoid natural consequences of risky behavior.


TBH, from the point of view of effective treatment, we have learned that stigmatizing these groups does not actually stop transmission, it makes transmission harder to stop. In general, non-stigmatizing access to treatment and education and prevention assistance is more effective than shame and stigma in reducing HIV rates. .

Globally, anti-LGBT laws continue to hinder the HIV response - in Africa as well.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhiv/article/PIIS2352-3018(22)00265-X/fulltext#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20risk%20of,and%207%25%20vs%2022%25).
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 17:59     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How much $$$$$$ did USAID “offer” each poor man in Mozambique to do risky surgery on his genitalia?

Why not respect their cultural values, and simply model proper hygiene for both men and women?

Some religions mandate circumcision on their baby boys, but certainly not all.

Again, cultural respect is essential.



THIS

And this is why USAID is disliked by so many overseas. I come from a country that does not normally circumcise. This is one more example of the US imposing its Western values on other countries.

Also agree with the other PP who says corruption is rampant in some countries, which makes it much easier to implement these programs there.

Glad this is all coming out. At the very least there needs to be some honest conversation as to what this agency is doing and WHY we are doing it.


Whatever your personal experience is in your country of origin, it does not accurately reflect the situation in Mozambique.

Prior to scaling up a Voluntary Male Medical Circumcision (VMMC) program, studies were done to establish the MMC rate by country. PRIOR to VMMC programs, Mozambique had a circumcision rate of 48.4%. The vast majority of Muslims in Mozambique practice circumcision as well as some non-Muslim ethnicities. Circumcision is a traditional practice in Mozambique, not something imposed by Westerners.

The VMMC programs are entirely voluntary and merely seek to offer medical circumcision which is slightly different from the traditional circumcision and thus is more effective at limiting HIV spread.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100775#:~:text=Circumcision%20is%20also%20frequently%20practiced,are%20presented%20in%20Table%20S2.

There is a discussion to be had about how to spend US Foreign Assistance, but it should be done on the basis of fact not uninformed fear-mongering.

BTW, you do not seem at all interested in "honest" conversation about USID programs and even less interested in information about "why" we are doing USAID programs.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 17:15     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:Feel free to send your own money to your favorite causes at any time.


Exactly. Stop stealing our cash for international Sesame Street. It’s RACIST.

“Which one is different?”
“Which one doesn’t belong?”




Anonymous
Post 02/22/2025 17:13     Subject: Closing USAID

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Feel free to send your own money to your favorite causes at any time.


Taxes are our money.

News Flash:
America voted AGAINST Democrats spending OUR tax dollars on their trans propaganda around the world.