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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

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?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

The class of its own is HPSM. Princeton is phenomenal for physics, math, all natural sciences, statistics, etc. Have you heard of Albert Einstein?

Albert Einstein doesn't relate more to Princeton than Caltech.
Einstein rents an office at Princeton for his lab, that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

If lower Ivy boosters keep trying to pick away at HYPSM, maybe we’ll believe that Cornell and Columbia are just as good. Keep plugging away!

Cornell and Columbia ARE better than Harvard and Yale in STEM.

I have no bone in this fight. But Yale in particular should not be regarded as a top 10 school.

LOL let's not get ahead of ourselves. Harvard is better than every ivy aside from Princeton in STEM. Its weakest facet is the "T" in STEM, and that's mostly because they let that work get done by MIT a 10 minute trip across the river. Harvard is top or close to top in the world at math and science.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

The class of its own is HPSM. Princeton is phenomenal for physics, math, all natural sciences, statistics, etc. Have you heard of Albert Einstein?

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

The class of its own is HPSM. Princeton is phenomenal for physics, math, all natural sciences, statistics, etc. Have you heard of Albert Einstein?

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

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Sour grapes for most of those who doth protest most angrily

We toured Princeton, and DC didn't like it. This "eating" club takes the cake, pardon the pun.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

If lower Ivy boosters keep trying to pick away at HYPSM, maybe we’ll believe that Cornell and Columbia are just as good. Keep plugging away!

Cornell and Columbia ARE better than Harvard and Yale in STEM.

I have no bone in this fight. But Yale in particular should not be regarded as a top 10 school.

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Anonymous wrote:USN ranking is very suspect when it lists Princeton as first. Just the fact that Eating Clubs are so entrenched in their culture makes you wonder. Social mobility? What a joke.

My kid goes there, I don't know that I would say the Eating Clubs are "so entrenched". Plenty of people do not join and many of the eating clubs are open to everyone.
Also Princeton has pretty amazing financial aid (all grant no loans, and any family <100k income gets financial aid). They really do try to use their resources to help families.
Of course there is still extreme wealth but that's life anywhere in the world of elite colleges.
Princeton stays high on lists because of an extreme focus on undergrads and teaching. It takes hard work to do well there.

That’s your opinion. Here’s another from an actual Princeton student.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2022/04/princeton-eating-clubs-bicker-uninclusive-discriminatory

Just read the article.

ew.. that practice is horrible. Princeton sounds like a horrible place. Beautiful campus, though.

No one is forcing you to send your kid there, I guess. They don’t need your kid.

And what exactly is Greek rush like? Or country club applications? Or professional clubs and societies? Or private school admissions for middle and high school? It’s all the same but you certainly don’t have to play the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

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Sour grapes for most of those who doth protest most angrily

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

The class of its own is HPSM. Princeton is phenomenal for physics, math, all natural sciences, statistics, etc. Have you heard of Albert Einstein?

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

If lower Ivy boosters keep trying to pick away at HYPSM, maybe we’ll believe that Cornell and Columbia are just as good. Keep plugging away!

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind

What STEM areas in Princeton so strong in? If Yale doesn't belong in that group, Princeton doesn't either. You could just list HSM and I'd understand that more.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people still arguing about this ranking? It doesn't matter what the rankings say everyone knows washu, Emory and northeastern are superior to any state school

Northeastern? WashU and Emory are the same as Berkeley

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what you all think, Princeton is the finest undergrad institution in the country.

In all seriousness, would the P still be in HYPSM if not for USNWR over the last 20 years? Princeton's lack of professional schools and limited number of truly elite grad schools make it not fit with the others at this point in the overall university sense.
Princeton and Dartmouth do care about undergrads but are still way too big and have way too many grad students (that top profs actually pick) to give you the type of undergrad experience you'd get at an Amherst, Swarthmore, or Williams.

There wouldn't be a HYPSM category at all without a P.

It's like a game when everyone gets the same prize, doesn't it make that "prize" feel less valuable? It is human nature to want something other people can't have so attaining HYPSM is not just about the actual education etc. It's about how you feel you (ie your kid) won the game.

I think that is part of PP's point. Princeton isn't quite "winning the game" in the same way as Harvard and Stanford. The name doesn't have the same universal recognition and prestige as those two and Yale either.

Agree

?? For anyone interested in STEM, Princeton >> Yale. Honestly I believe HPSM are in a class of their own for undergrad, with Yale, Caltech, Duke, Penn right behind