Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:59     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.





It’s like with race, the moment you dare say something that is not a slogan, the Internet jumps at you


More likely that your position of “pacifism”, which is clearly transparent and a poor choice and essentially is you advocating to leave Ukrainians out to dry, is the stupid and informed by right wing news.

We get it. Your news sources are telling you to like Russia, probably because you are conservative, strongly religious (Christian), and have a natural proclivity toward Russia’s particular brand of authoritarian/strongman/anti-gay/pro-traditional values.

So to you, Ukraine getting attacked and taken over by Russia isn’t that bad because they’re all sort of Russian anyway right? And you don’t really mind Putin? And like, the US totally wouldn’t look bad to its European allies if it simply turned tail and let everyone else fend for themselves right?

No dude. The best path is to show support. Show we are a beacon of hope. Not your little weak, impulsive poorly reasoned, weasel nonsense.



Nope. Actually I am non-religious, have never voted Republican, don't watch Fox news, and am LGBT.

I don't give two shits about Russia or Ukraine. I want our resources to benefit American citizens. Our politicians work for American interests. Keep us safe. Keep us prosperous. Other people's governments can work towards their interests.

I also would like to avoid being vaporized in a nuclear war and expect my politicians to successfully minimize those risks. I have no confidence in the foreign policy that has lead us to this point. What does Ukraine bring to the table that we should be responsible for their defense and go toe to toe with a country with nuclear weapons?

Why do we need to be involved in wars between other countries? Why this particular conflict and not the rest of the military conflicts the world over?

Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:58     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.


Oh please - Russians were amassing troops at the border in huge numbers and categorically denying they were intended for anything but military training.

You can’t blame Russia’s war of choice on lack of diplomatic efforts by the West.

There were no serious diplomatic offers in the table. Russia made clear their offer was for an Ukraine to roll over and accept being absorbed into Russia and to never join either Western Europe or NATO.

Putin thought their special military operation (illegal invasion) would be over in a few weeks.

Now Putin’s aemu are proven war criminals and retaliating in horrific ways against innocent civilians.

Diplomacy is not possible with war criminals.


Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:53     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.





You being a “pacifist” is essentially like people abstaining to vote for Hillary because they didn’t like her, which led to Donald Trump’s election.

You can’t always sit things out and just let them happen to you. So strap on a set.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:45     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.





It’s like with race, the moment you dare say something that is not a slogan, the Internet jumps at you


More likely that your position of “pacifism”, which is clearly transparent and a poor choice and essentially is you advocating to leave Ukrainians out to dry, is the stupid and informed by right wing news.

We get it. Your news sources are telling you to like Russia, probably because you are conservative, strongly religious (Christian), and have a natural proclivity toward Russia’s particular brand of authoritarian/strongman/anti-gay/pro-traditional values.

So to you, Ukraine getting attacked and taken over by Russia isn’t that bad because they’re all sort of Russian anyway right? And you don’t really mind Putin? And like, the US totally wouldn’t look bad to its European allies if it simply turned tail and let everyone else fend for themselves right?

No dude. The best path is to show support. Show we are a beacon of hope. Not your little weak, impulsive poorly reasoned, weasel nonsense.

Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:33     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.




What's confusing is that you are calling for the victim, the one being attacked, to stop instead of the aggressor, the one doing the attacking.

That's not pacificism.


Okay. Russia! Leave!

Also, I don't want the US involved
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 14:16     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.





It’s like with race, the moment you dare say something that is not a slogan, the Internet jumps at you
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:51     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.




What's confusing is that you are calling for the victim, the one being attacked, to stop instead of the aggressor, the one doing the attacking.

That's not pacificism.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:47     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

“First time since the Cuban missile crisis, we have the threat of a nuclear weapon if in fact things continue down the path they are going,” the president said. “We are trying to figure out what is Putin’s off-ramp? Where does he find a way out? Where does he find himself where he does not only lose face but significant power?”

-President Biden. October 2022
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:43     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.


The only shill around here is you. Go lick Putin’s boot. Pathetic.


The consequences to you personally are nil, too. Food for thought.


They won't be nil if a nuclear warhead drops on you.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:42     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

So, under which conditions is it legit to be a pacifist? Do you think anyone can legitimately be anti-war? Or are they automatically a bot or a victim of propaganda?

The only country's foreign policy that I have a vested interest in is my own. I get a vote. I can call my elected representative. I can try to be persuasive to those around me to convince them to do the same.



Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 13:38     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Why are you talking about Boris, two prime ministers ago?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 11:17     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.


Maybe if these shills got a little more directly involved, Ukraine might actually manage a counter-offensive.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 11:17     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.


The only shill around here is you. Go lick Putin’s boot. Pathetic.


The consequences to you personally are nil, too. Food for thought.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 11:14     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.


The only shill around here is you. Go lick Putin’s boot. Pathetic.
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2023 10:06     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Saying people are afraid of nuclear war is not the sick burn you think it is.

Damn right I am afraid of nukes, as is anyone with half a brain and the will to live.

Glad the poster who lives next to the Pentagon is such a nihilist they don't care if they are vaporized, but some of us prefer diplomacy and putting pressure on both Russia and Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.


I’m totally with you. Why hasn’t diplomacy been priority #1?


Well, that’s a good question and let’s unpack it.

Diplomacy.

That’s where nations hash things out cordially with each other.

Russia unilaterally attacked Ukraine in the hopes of subsuming it back into the old fold of a USSR fever dream.

Ukraine said no and fought back.

So what diplomacy do you speak of when Russia is still attacking? If they left, there would be diplomacy. Allowing their country to be carved up and offered away for peace isn’t very diplomatic don’t you think? Do you think?


Russia submitted a few proposals before the invasion. They were ignored. Then there was Istanbul but Mr Johnson decided the West is not ready to stop the war so he flew down to slap Z back.

Of course, a few months later he wrote that Russia should go back to the 2022 line of contact (note the contrast with”get all your land back!” early on) but in the meantime, hundreds of thousands have suffered. As Mr Johnson continues to enjoy his moated mansion in Oxfordshire. It’s all fun and games to shill for war when the consequences for you personally are nil.