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THREE episodes about the stupid pool!

we got to see Milo without a shirt though.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

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Anonymous wrote:Considering how the writers have handled Kate’s relationship with Phillip, I bet Kevin ends up with a new character we haven’t yet seen. We won’t have the benefit of seeing their relationship progress (just as we haven’t with Kate and Phillip) but we’ll just be expected to understand that Kevin got his happily ever after, too.

I'm really annoyed at the regression in his story arc with series of women in the flashes forward. Seems to go against the character development he had when he flew with the twins back to Pittsburgh. What up with that?

Isn't this the story of Kevin's life? One step forward, two steps back?

I feel like the regression is because he came back from Philly with this idea of being with Madison and it seems like there's no chance so he's deliberately dating women he's never going to be serious about.

I realize I am an unrealistic Kevin/Madison shipper and that it seems impossible they are together in the end. But I still think it's them.

PP you're responding to. Yes, agree with you completely. Call me crazy, but I haven't given up hope yet, either!

She got married and had a baby with Elijah. Not happening.

I don’t know if it was lazy editing or part of the story, but if you pause on the opening scene where Madison is popping champagne she does NOT have a wedding ring on. I think she’s single. But then again this is the show that messed up the Ovulation / Pregnancy test!

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh this episode!

Basically a Spark's Notes version, no time for it all to play out.

Jack is blond as a toddler (and yes, I know how blond goes dark, my brothers went from baby blondes to almost black haired adults), the fat and black haired when Phillip and Kate get together, then loses weight and hair lightens as an adult. What was up with that? (Proves Toby right about how Kate feeds the kids?)

What therapist would have them go through this for 16 months?? (And yes, we all agree Kate is insufferable)

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

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Anonymous wrote:So have we noticed that Kevin is sitting with Cassidy in the preview?

Also we see Madison with new boyfriend and the twins in the family photo and Kevin standing with Rebecca with Miguel lurking behind.

I’m beginning to think the wedding ring was a decoy. He’s wear Jacks ring as Rebecca thinks he’s Jack…

I don't mean to be rude, but yes the first two things have been discussed. In like the last couple of pages.

The idea that Kevin is pretending to be Jack is absurd and gross.

If that's why he's wearing a ring I will be very very disappointed.

Serious question - is it advised that you play into a dementia/Alzheimer's patient's beliefs like these?

Having lost a parent to Alzheimer’s my modus operandi was to try not to lie or deceive but then ultimately do whatever it took to get through the day, week, situation, etc. Everything changes so rapidly that it isn’t like a lie becomes entrenched. Nothing sticks for very long. That being said, I doubt the writers would take that tack.

Do Drs. advise that you wear a wedding ring to pretend you are your dead father? Because that would surprise me. A lot.

I watched it streaming instead of live and haven't seen previews, idk about the ring (I don't pick up on those details as much as some people are able to)--but yeah, it's pretty common. There is some controversy about how far to take that, though.

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Anonymous wrote:So have we noticed that Kevin is sitting with Cassidy in the preview?

Also we see Madison with new boyfriend and the twins in the family photo and Kevin standing with Rebecca with Miguel lurking behind.

I’m beginning to think the wedding ring was a decoy. He’s wear Jacks ring as Rebecca thinks he’s Jack…

I don't mean to be rude, but yes the first two things have been discussed. In like the last couple of pages.

The idea that Kevin is pretending to be Jack is absurd and gross.

If that's why he's wearing a ring I will be very very disappointed.

Serious question - is it advised that you play into a dementia/Alzheimer's patient's beliefs like these?

Do Drs. advise that you wear a wedding ring to pretend you are your dead father? Because that would surprise me. A lot.

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Anonymous wrote:such a waste of Chris Gere's talent.

Maybe but it gave him exposure to a wider audience.

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Anonymous wrote:Just watched last night, ugh, I hate all the jumping ahead. 5 seasons with toby and one night for happily ever after with the new guy.

+1. Would have rather seen more of the actual events than just snippets of them.

NP. I really wonder if this is all because the showrunners said this was the final season so they gave themselves a deadline and now must jam so much into remaining episodes. Does anyone know if the show was facing potential cancellation, so Fogelman et. al. decided to end it on their own terms rather than being canceled, or was this truly about "I've plotted this out so this is the expected end" and it had nothing to do with ratings, cancellation etc.? I find it hard to believe that NBC was anywhere near axing the show at the time it was announced that this was the last season.

Though if actors' contracts were getting near the point of renewal, and any actors had said they wanted to move on, that could have spurred the "we'll finish with this season" approach too.

No series benefits from being drawn out too long, for sure, and any good producer wants to end a show, not have it ended FOR them mid-plot. But I wonder if Fogelman hobbled himself and the entire show by announcing "this will be the final season" when there had been little to no real prior buildup for Kate/Philip, and way too many potential directions for Kevin's love life, etc. etc.

I think I remember reading that the show was mapped out for 6 season from the get-go. Maybe the adjustments they had to make for Covid impacted their plans more than we recognized.

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Anonymous wrote:Just watched last night, ugh, I hate all the jumping ahead. 5 seasons with toby and one night for happily ever after with the new guy.

+1. Would have rather seen more of the actual events than just snippets of them.

NP. I really wonder if this is all because the showrunners said this was the final season so they gave themselves a deadline and now must jam so much into remaining episodes. Does anyone know if the show was facing potential cancellation, so Fogelman et. al. decided to end it on their own terms rather than being canceled, or was this truly about "I've plotted this out so this is the expected end" and it had nothing to do with ratings, cancellation etc.? I find it hard to believe that NBC was anywhere near axing the show at the time it was announced that this was the last season.

Though if actors' contracts were getting near the point of renewal, and any actors had said they wanted to move on, that could have spurred the "we'll finish with this season" approach too.

No series benefits from being drawn out too long, for sure, and any good producer wants to end a show, not have it ended FOR them mid-plot. But I wonder if Fogelman hobbled himself and the entire show by announcing "this will be the final season" when there had been little to no real prior buildup for Kate/Philip, and way too many potential directions for Kevin's love life, etc. etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being Jack Jr.’s girlfriend/wife the day you find out the overly dramatic story he’s been telling you for years about how the big green egg ruined his parents marriage is really just some grill they owned and used one day when they had a fight, a year and a half before they split up? Wtf

+1. If anything, I would think a massive ceiling leak would be his memory, no? The big green egg was barely involved. Just another reason to think the writers didn’t map this all out fully before throwing these flash forwards in.

Ha! Makes me think a PP's speculation about negative publicity for an appliance. I could imagine that the company who makes Crock Pot raised a bit of a stink, the show writers did the episode alluding a big green egg disaster, and the show lawyers came to the writers and said, hey, let's not go through that again. Rework your plans for the marriage implosion day.

Sure, but it’s not just the product they changed. The marriage didn’t implode that day. They got in a fight, and then apparently stayed together for another 18 months or so. Why is that the day Jack ties to his parents splitting up?

Actually, it's hard to believe Jack would have anything but a fleeting memory of that day. He's what, two or three years old? His memories would be more emotions or physical feelings. I broke my arm at age 3 trying to climb something tall after neighbor kids teased me, so I have an idea of what a 3 year old remembers during an emotional event resulting in injury. He'd have no memory of that grill. He couldn't see it, and because it was hot he couldn't have touched it, either.

I think one of the pps was on to something about the writers deciding later that the Green Egg be associated with a tragic event (like Peleton).