Anonymous wrote:Watch the A final of the woman’s 200 backstroke at NCSAs today and tell me that NCAP is declining.

Go back and read all the comments and tell me everyone isn’t saying the same thing, which is NCap VA sites are fine- it’s AU/Prep that is declining in a disastrous manner. They should just give up those sites and let other teams use those pools. Neither of those Gold coaches should be employed

Watch the A final of the woman’s 200 backstroke at NCSAs today and tell me that NCAP is declining.

Anonymous wrote:Look at the 2025-2026 season rankings for 13-14 and 15-18 PVS swimmers on Swimcloud.

NCAP has the top 5 15-18 boys and top 4 15-18 girls.

Pretty even split at the top between NCAP and RMSC in 13-14 groups. But NCAP has more top 20 kids in both boys and girls.

welcome to the thread Spencer

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the 2025-2026 season rankings for 13-14 and 15-18 PVS swimmers on Swimcloud.

NCAP has the top 5 15-18 boys and top 4 15-18 girls.

Pretty even split at the top between NCAP and RMSC in 13-14 groups. But NCAP has more top 20 kids in both boys and girls.

Yean, and NCAP has more swimmers than RMSC, probably twice as Machine and possibly 10 times more than ASA.

NCAP is only slightly bigger than RMSC. 1900 vs 1600. Machine is about 1200. ASA is 300.

Anonymous wrote:Look at the 2025-2026 season rankings for 13-14 and 15-18 PVS swimmers on Swimcloud.

NCAP has the top 5 15-18 boys and top 4 15-18 girls.

Pretty even split at the top between NCAP and RMSC in 13-14 groups. But NCAP has more top 20 kids in both boys and girls.

Yean, and NCAP has more swimmers than RMSC, probably twice as Machine and possibly 10 times more than ASA.

Look at the 2025-2026 season rankings for 13-14 and 15-18 PVS swimmers on Swimcloud.

NCAP has the top 5 15-18 boys and top 4 15-18 girls.

Pretty even split at the top between NCAP and RMSC in 13-14 groups. But NCAP has more top 20 kids in both boys and girls.

Every site is different so I can’t speak to GP but my DC loves their NCAP VA site. Most of the training group is here at NCSAs and no injuries. Coach is great too. Overall, I think around 90 swimmers from NCAP are here and it’s a great experience. Also, anytime we’ve raised a concern it’s been heard and addressed.

DC who swims for another major local PVS club said there are so many NCAP swimmer from AU and GP switched to our club in the last 18 months. Obviously, there are swimmers moved from our club to other clubs, but DC said every one of those came from NCAP are so happy about their change, enjoy swimming much more with less training load, most importantly swimming faster and getting better results. Some of them are really good, one being the best in her class. (She was referred in a reply in this thread before)

no club or site will ever have a parent group with 100% satisfaction, it is the nature of the beast

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Anonymous wrote:The young woman who won 50 back and 50 & 100 free at PV Open Champs and had a first and a second as a freshman at METROS left NCap for ASA

Yes, bc Gemmell is a d*ck

Not just Gemmell, but the Ugasts (owners) treated her horribly. The Prep site has gone downhill horribly with swimmers either leaving or injured because they were overtrained. Their other 3 top swimmers have been out for months due to overuse injury and requiring surgery. The coaches don’t train smart, they make the kids swim 6000-8000 yards everyday and shame them if they don’t swim at racing level during practice. Morale is horrible.

NP and this is spot-on. The shine has definitely worn off for us.

Just remember the most important lesson money will buy - big difference between being in pain and being hurt. And believe me you will learn this difference whether you like or not.

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Anonymous wrote:The young woman who won 50 back and 50 & 100 free at PV Open Champs and had a first and a second as a freshman at METROS left NCap for ASA

Yes, bc Gemmell is a d*ck

Not just Gemmell, but the Ugasts (owners) treated her horribly. The Prep site has gone downhill horribly with swimmers either leaving or injured because they were overtrained. Their other 3 top swimmers have been out for months due to overuse injury and requiring surgery. The coaches don’t train smart, they make the kids swim 6000-8000 yards everyday and shame them if they don’t swim at racing level during practice. Morale is horrible.

The worst part is once you get hurt they dispose of you. There is no care or compassion for the kids. In the eyes of the staff, if you are hurt and can’t achieve accolades, you are worthless to them. Legitimately injured athletes are not welcome at practice while they rehab and build up training. Come back when you are ready to swim fast!

One injury requiring surgery is an anomaly. More than one is an issue. The problem clearly lies in the middle training group and not the top.

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Anonymous wrote:The young woman who won 50 back and 50 & 100 free at PV Open Champs and had a first and a second as a freshman at METROS left NCap for ASA

Yes, bc Gemmell is a d*ck

Not just Gemmell, but the Ugasts (owners) treated her horribly. The Prep site has gone downhill horribly with swimmers either leaving or injured because they were overtrained. Their other 3 top swimmers have been out for months due to overuse injury and requiring surgery. The coaches don’t train smart, they make the kids swim 6000-8000 yards everyday and shame them if they don’t swim at racing level during practice. Morale is horrible.

Anonymous wrote:PPs who think AG parents are the worst of the worst need to hang at Prep with Gold parents

Like watching a one-legged man in a tail-kicking contest.