Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NFL football is boring as hell. Especially live.

Average time of actual playing: 11-18 minutes
Commercials: ~60 minutes (more than 100 commercials)
Huddles: ~70-75 minutes
Replays, halftime, broadcasts: ~50 minutes

If they got rid of TV timeouts, it would make it a lot better, but they won't.

Any kind of game shouldn't last four hours. And you're talking an 8+hour day and hundreds of dollars to see it live. Not worth it.

Right? It's actually the sportscasters that make football interesting. Those broadcasting people have serious skills. But when you go to an actual game, it's really just a bunch of large men falling down a lot and nothing much more interesting than that. And it goes on and on for hours. There are maybe three minutes all together when things happen. It's mostly a snoozefest when you go to an NFL game in person. Which again shows how good the play-by-play and commentators are. Not in a million years could I call a live football game - for hours - and make it interesting.

Anonymous wrote:NFL football is boring as hell. Especially live.

Average time of actual playing: 11-18 minutes
Commercials: ~60 minutes (more than 100 commercials)
Huddles: ~70-75 minutes
Replays, halftime, broadcasts: ~50 minutes

If they got rid of TV timeouts, it would make it a lot better, but they won't.

Any kind of game shouldn't last four hours. And you're talking an 8+hour day and hundreds of dollars to see it live. Not worth it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was thinking yesterday how Blacks are taking over football due to more opportunity for them to play and frequently more ability. For some Black kids (right or wrong) it's a way out of a life of poverty and they take it. Teams used to be majority white, now they are majority Black. Coaching is now on the same trajectory as more Black players with experience become qualified to coach.

Why wouldn’t a kid who loves the game go for playing a game that pays millions of dollars a year? They are taking more precautions to avoid concussions and they have a ways to go but to claim it’s the only way to crawl out of poverty for Black people is ridiculous.

I certainly didn't mean that it is the ONLY way. But it is ONE way "to crawl out of poverty." As a result, no one (not many??) is talking to them about potential brain issues for the longterm. First and foremost, I agree any kid going for football sees it as a way to achieve fame and fortune.

My only point was that anecdotally there are far more Black players than White players today, where it used to be far more White players than Black players in the past.

I was primarily thinking in general how many things shift over time. Football players being one example.

The opposite has been happening with Major League Baseball, interestingly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
CTE lawsuit filed by family of 1950s player results in $140 million verdict against NCAA

J.T. Davis played college football for SMU in the 1950s. He died after an extended battle with Alzheimer’s disease, following a diagnosis in 2001. Davis was diagnosed with Stage 4 CTE in 2017, after his passing.

His family filed a lawsuit against the NCAA in 2020. Recently, a jury awarded the family $30 million in compensatory damages and $110 million in punitive damages, for a total verdict of $140 million.

The civil complaint included an allegation that, dating back to 1933, the NCAA’s medical handbook “recommended that players with concussions should receive rest and constant supervision and not be permitted to play or practice until symptom-free for 48 hours.”

[...]

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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/cte-lawsuit-filed-by-family-of-1950s-player-results-in-140-million-verdict-against-ncaa

What was known in the 50s is vastly different than what is known today. Anyone signing up now is fully aware of potential consequences.

Anonymous wrote:
CTE lawsuit filed by family of 1950s player results in $140 million verdict against NCAA

J.T. Davis played college football for SMU in the 1950s. He died after an extended battle with Alzheimer’s disease, following a diagnosis in 2001. Davis was diagnosed with Stage 4 CTE in 2017, after his passing.

His family filed a lawsuit against the NCAA in 2020. Recently, a jury awarded the family $30 million in compensatory damages and $110 million in punitive damages, for a total verdict of $140 million.

The civil complaint included an allegation that, dating back to 1933, the NCAA’s medical handbook “recommended that players with concussions should receive rest and constant supervision and not be permitted to play or practice until symptom-free for 48 hours.”

[...]

Continued:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/cte-lawsuit-filed-by-family-of-1950s-player-results-in-140-million-verdict-against-ncaa

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The whole enterprise leverages historical racist plantation construct and is, in and of itself, systemically racist, exploitative, and most of all, detrimental to the long term health and brain health to mostly minorities who play.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/

Eff the NFL

Whereas blacks comprise roughly 13% of the population in the USA overall, they make up 70% of the NFL.

If we look at the makeup of positions, Center and QB are really the only positions that are more "white" as a percentage.

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-nfls-racial-divide/

There are now about one third of the teams with starting QBs who are black(up from 5 in 2017) but this still then begs the question of the imbalance of ownership, leadership and management vis-a-vis the player makeup.

So, even given the health repercussions of the game, one could possibly make an argument in its favor if the ownership, leadership and management looked even just a hint of what the player makeup looks like, since there is real danger and detriment to long-term health and brain health/function for those who step on the field. But it doesn't . Not even close:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-racial-divide-one-chart-154059660.html

There is another aspect to this that I won't get into in detail but that is Government "promotion" of this morally corrupt enterprise through favorable tax code, tax incentives and other regulation and zoning.

Another related discussion/debate would be the big business of College Football and its exploitation of minorities vs. the risks of health and brain health as discussed above and how they(and indirectly state governments via tax dollars) subsidize the NFL.

I don't have a solution to propose. Personally, I think that the NFL/Football as it currently exists is dying. It's decline or evolution may be decades in the making but it will need to change drastically or become extinct. I think this is something that people should be aware of but I find in discussing it, most people really haven't given this much thought.

What say you, DCUM?

zyxt

I say you are a nutcase and this thread doesn't belong in sports. i think jeff should delete

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever listened to the players? Many dgaf even with the brain injury risk.

You feel better now? Even a game like soccer has a lot of cte. Try telling the world that soccer is a plantation system. You’ll be laughed out of the room by many diverse nations.

American football, NOT Soccer.


A statistical manipulation that underpaid Black players in concussion settlements exemplifies American football’s immersion in the legacy of slavery:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-nfls-racist-race-norming-is-an-afterlife-of-slavery/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was thinking yesterday how Blacks are taking over football due to more opportunity for them to play and frequently more ability. For some Black kids (right or wrong) it's a way out of a life of poverty and they take it. Teams used to be majority white, now they are majority Black. Coaching is now on the same trajectory as more Black players with experience become qualified to coach.

Why wouldn’t a kid who loves the game go for playing a game that pays millions of dollars a year? They are taking more precautions to avoid concussions and they have a ways to go but to claim it’s the only way to crawl out of poverty for Black people is ridiculous.

I certainly didn't mean that it is the ONLY way. But it is ONE way "to crawl out of poverty." As a result, no one (not many??) is talking to them about potential brain issues for the longterm. First and foremost, I agree any kid going for football sees it as a way to achieve fame and fortune.

My only point was that anecdotally there are far more Black players than White players today, where it used to be far more White players than Black players in the past.

I was primarily thinking in general how many things shift over time. Football players being one example.

Anonymous wrote:To the OP, Harbaugh when at Michigan declared football the last refuge of the American male. A good point. My grandfather played pro football in the 20’s, and no matter its faults, I remain a fan. I was a national champion in my non contact sport. I inherited all of my toughness and intensity from him, and it gave me a life.