I’ll think I’m over her but then she hosts a very interesting interview in which she seems genuinely interested in the other person, asks good questions, and actually listens to the person’s answers.

Anonymous wrote:I felt a LOT of sympathy for her in 2020. I married young, too, and although we were not evangelicals, we were Catholic and felt pressure to stay together. For years I hung in there, deeply unhappy but not sure how to fix it. One day I just had had enough and it was over. Too late to be patched up.
That said, I never in a million years thought it was my husband's fault. It was definitely 50/50 in that we both withdrew and led separate lives. I never pointed to him as the problem. I never blamed him for our unhappiness. We avoided further conflict and in the process became strangers and both of us let that happen.

I really question people who keep pointing to the other spouse as the "problem" in a marriage going bad. I think the vast majority of marriages end because both people stopped caring enough to reconnect with each other for whatever reason. Then one person -- in my first marriage it was me -- decides they have had it. But there was a long period there when neither one of us tried to put it back on track.

I wish Jen would take more responsibility for her part, if not please just stop talking about it. It's not good for their children and their extended families.

A lot of wisdom here.

I felt a LOT of sympathy for her in 2020. I married young, too, and although we were not evangelicals, we were Catholic and felt pressure to stay together. For years I hung in there, deeply unhappy but not sure how to fix it. One day I just had had enough and it was over. Too late to be patched up.
That said, I never in a million years thought it was my husband's fault. It was definitely 50/50 in that we both withdrew and led separate lives. I never pointed to him as the problem. I never blamed him for our unhappiness. We avoided further conflict and in the process became strangers and both of us let that happen.

I really question people who keep pointing to the other spouse as the "problem" in a marriage going bad. I think the vast majority of marriages end because both people stopped caring enough to reconnect with each other for whatever reason. Then one person -- in my first marriage it was me -- decides they have had it. But there was a long period there when neither one of us tried to put it back on track.

I wish Jen would take more responsibility for her part, if not please just stop talking about it. It's not good for their children and their extended families.

Very very few divorces are one sided affairs. Very very few even if there’s a big pivotal moment that blows a marriage up.

I bet if Brandon got an hour or two with Glennon on her podcast to talk about his new relationship and what went wrong with his marriage we’d all get a much more complicated, interesting, maybe even more sympathetic understanding.

Nothing and I mean nothing is more boring than listening to total strangers talk about their romantic relationships for an hour.

I don't know ... This is her version of events. Both she (and Glennon, actually) seem like full-blown narcissists. She is the one with the platform and "following." She can say whatever she wants to make herself look good. I don't know any narcissists in real life who are in happy marriages, and news flash, it is not all or even mostly their partner's fault. It's the narcissists fault. But do they see it that way? Of course not. Was Brandon difficult to live with? Maybe. But I can't believe that Jen was the patient, understanding spouse who covered for everyone and picked up all the pieces. Narcissists can be impossible to live with themselves.

This just seems like it was a toxic relationship that has ended very not amicably. Jen at least doesn't seem to show any real self-awareness or maturity in how she's moved on from it, in how she's handling dating, to the way she has pivoted from selling her "amazing friend crew" the same way she used to sell her amazing marriage. I guess someone told her that she needs to say that she now sees how the way she portrayed her marriage was problematic and harmful, but she's just transferred this behavior onto her friend group now. Not a lot of learning there.

Anonymous wrote:Not to be outdone, Tyler and Jen clap back at Brandon in today's episode of Glennon's podcast. What exhausting people they all are.

Yes the main thing about Jen is how she "sees" other people. I think she is too busy online "in the spotlight" navel gazing how amazing she and her life are.

Sorry, have to laugh at her insisting she had to shine the spotlight on Brandon. IDK, maybe early on before they were in the public eye. this would be true especially in their church community. But ever since I've known about her - maybe since 2014? - it's been nothing BUT Jen in the spotlight.

Not to be outdone, Tyler and Jen clap back at Brandon in today's episode of Glennon's podcast. What exhausting people they all are.

Airing dirty laundry in public is never good for the children. They both need to pipe down.

This. That’s why their business model is so
predatory. They are selling themselves and their seemingly wonderful lifestyle to people looking for easy answers, cheap affirmation, and identity. It’s 100% predatory, though. Jen always has the answers to all the things, though. She’s always on fine magical journey of self-discovery. Therefore, she always has something to sell. Gross gross gross.

I can roll with most of it. Marriage is hard, people change, parenting sucks cuz kids do their own thing and on and on. And under the pressure cooker of celebrity all that is magnified.
Ok.
What is maddening is they keep monetizing it. If I had a platform as a life and marriage and parenting voice and made actual dollars from selling/shilling my wisdom and then all of that collapsed and was either knowingly or unknowingly a pile of shit, I’d quietly be on my way to do something else with my time and earn money some other way.

But they all just double down on it and shapeshift Into monetizing the ignorance.

At what point do you go…hmm clearly I either misread obvious signs or was oblivious to more surreptitious ones but either way maybe I’m not in the best position to give (paid for) advice, wisdom, insight and perspective on big life things?

Now they just sell the not knowing. Insane.

If the Hatmaker marriage was fake what else is fake?

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I found that super conflicting too. Did it happen overnight on July 11, or did you realize it in January? She’s all over the place spinning her web.

Gentle clap back by Brandon on Instagram today.