Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:11
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
+1
This is 100% on Trump and McConnell.
Pelosi has laid out some good options - why won’t they consider those?
The problem is that the fork here isn't between Trump ones and Pelosi wins, but between Pelosi wins and Trump becoming an open dictator wins. Pelosi is betting on Republicans making Trump play mostly by the old rules. It's not clear those rules are still in effect.
Which rule isn’t in effect?
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:11
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
I’ve done plenty of reading, and I blame both sides....increasingly so as this drags on. Democrats can tell people to read more (without knowing how much they have or haven’t read) or they can try to fix this. The country isn’t going to give you an indefinite pass just because the GOP started it.
And Trump will pull this exact same stunt the next time he decides he wants something or Rush and Anne tell him to. This is what, his third shutdown? You must love looking forward to going without pay.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:10
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
The courts have handled DACA. Does Trump even know that?
Has the Supreme Court “handled” it yet? If so, please provide a citation. TIA!
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:07
Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:We *had* a Central American Minors refugee program so that minors could be processed in their home countries and the Trump administration terminated it.
Who created the crisis?
Obama created it with his DACA program in the first place.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:06
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.
Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.
And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:04
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
The courts have handled DACA. Does Trump even know that?
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:01
Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
We *had* a Central American Minors refugee program so that minors could be processed in their home countries and the Trump administration terminated it.
Who created the crisis?
Who created the crisis?
Anonymous
01/20/2019 08:01
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 07:56
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.
(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)
Anonymous
01/20/2019 07:49
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
I’ve done plenty of reading, and I blame both sides....increasingly so as this drags on. Democrats can tell people to read more (without knowing how much they have or haven’t read) or they can try to fix this. The country isn’t going to give you an indefinite pass just because the GOP started it.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 07:27
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
Yup.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 01:36
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
+1
This is 100% on Trump and McConnell.
Pelosi has laid out some good options - why won’t they consider those?
The problem is that the fork here isn't between Trump ones and Pelosi wins, but between Pelosi wins and Trump becoming an open dictator wins. Pelosi is betting on Republicans making Trump play mostly by the old rules. It's not clear those rules are still in effect.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 01:08
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
+1
This is 100% on Trump and McConnell.
Pelosi has laid out some good options - why won’t they consider those?
Anonymous
01/20/2019 00:21
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
You need to do more reading and understand that Trump, with a big assist from McConnell, is 100% at fault here. Trump chose to shut down the government to try to get his way. And it's not working so McConnell needs to bring one of the several funding bills the House has passed to a vote, and stop allowing a crazy man - Trump - to hold us all hostage.
Anonymous
01/20/2019 00:05
Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Democrats need to act or the voters are going to stop focusing on Trump and start blaming them.
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor
My view is throw them all out. This is a complete failure of government, it is embarrassing, and it is causing pain to innocent people.
-A moderate independent contractor