Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:21
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.
We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?
We aren't. Sorry, you need to seek out better jobs. WFH is still a thing, despite RTO boosters here and in the media.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:20
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Our agency is doubling the days in office for management starting in October and have said they will have an announcement for BU employees later this fall. It is happening.
Same here. Starting in October.
Haven’t seen it. I think most of us in our bureau will go to two days per pay period. Maybe 4 for some, but definitely no more than that. We definitely aren’t going to return to a prepandemic level of in-person staffing.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:08
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Our political appointees are now back 5 days a week and don’t seem happy about it, when we have meetings with them we also have to be in person so it’s starting to pull a lot of us back too.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:08
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Our agency is doubling the days in office for management starting in October and have said they will have an announcement for BU employees later this fall. It is happening.
Same here. Starting in October.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:07
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Our agency is doubling the days in office for management starting in October and have said they will have an announcement for BU employees later this fall. It is happening.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:04
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.
We are. Based on DCUM posts here, every agency is jumping and bringing people back. What are you drinking?
Anonymous
09/04/2023 10:03
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
Okay if what you say is true then Biden can simply sign an EO ordering federal workers back to the office. Agencies simply aren’t going to embrace RTO based on the chief of staff’s memo. That Biden hasn’t weighed in tells me things aren’t as dire as you seem to think or that he believes it is not the Federal employee’s responsibility to prop up the private sector.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 09:50
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
It’s not just about CRE, although I find that compelling, it’s also that lots of managers and leaders think people work better when they are physically present together. I don’t think all of these business leaders are bringing their teams back to an office because they care about the larger real estate market, they think it’s good for their bottom lien. Federal workers are not so different.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 09:35
Subject: Biden wants RTO
The point is that the CRE market can change, and should, but this changed is going to be too rapid. It will happen too fast. The underlying companies are going to collapse and there will be no money/lending for condo conversions (side note: in some areas refs need to also change to make this easier).
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
I know you don’t think this impacts you as the federal worker, but it does. Did 2009 impact you? Did the savings and loan crisis impact you? Stop focus on CRE alone. It’s the entire market.
And no, it’s not just the Fed who is responsible, that’s why private companies are also requiring in office. In my two primary friend groups, everyone is back in the office and all we’re back in the office before me.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 09:19
Subject: Biden wants RTO
By not driving, I am saving the environment. Per EPA, avg driver produces 4.6 metric tons of CO2 per year. So, I saved almost 15 metric tons of CO2 last three years. I have done my part. 
Anonymous
09/04/2023 08:53
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.
+1
The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.
Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.
No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.
It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!
It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.
Not fed workers' job. Our job is to spend tax money wisely and accomplish the mission. Fed govt as an entity maybe - as in HS Social Study class lesson. My agency did not open field office to boost the economy in that area. Our FOs were stood up to maintain secrecy.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 08:21
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.
+1
The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.
Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.
No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.
It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!
It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.
Except now federal laborers have the upper hand. RTO for government workers simply isn’t going to happen to any significant extent. As for what private companies do I could care less. Let private industry save CRE.
Anonymous
09/04/2023 08:18
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.
+1
The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.
Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.
No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.
It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!
It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.
You are getting things so confused.
-np
How so?
Anonymous
09/04/2023 08:06
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.
+1
The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.
Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.
No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.
It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!
It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.
You are getting things so confused.
-np
Anonymous
09/04/2023 07:58
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.
+1
The smart places have since adapted (e.g. creating a daily delivery lunch special within a certain radius) or created in-person draws like wifi, a table with kids toys/puzzles, etc.
Trying to turn back time on telework to save the restaurant industry is the liberal equivalent of the coal industry trying to move us backward regarding energy.
No one is trying to save the restaurant industry. They are trying to save commercial real estate from collapsing all at once. Go look back at the PTO article. If CRE collapses, more banks will fail. The fallout has the potential to be fast and furious and you are very, very naive if you don’t think it will impact you or your 529s.
It’s not the responsibility of federal labor to save the capitalists. Let THEM eat cake!
It IS the job of the federal government to preserve financial stability in the economy. This is the federal government using levers that they have to pull. It is not at all different than agencies choosing where to open field offices in order to boost the economy in that area. It has been happening for 100 years.