Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 04:27     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread but it’s moving so fast. DH and I were just talking about how the oxygen countdown is accounting for all of the passengers still being alive. If anyone has already died, that leaves more oxygen for the remaining passengers. I’m not a doctor, but my experience viewing mountain climbing movies, such as Vertical Limit, leads me to believe people could succumb to death from lack of oxygen at different times, thus extending the life of others. So the countdown seems like it’s not really on point.


It’s just an estimate. If, after losing contact, they immediately began to conserve o2 by not talking, breathing slowly, not moving, they could extend the range. This is an article on the deepest rescue to date (at 1500 meters compared to 12-13k for titan). The two men managed to extend their o2 supply by almost 20%.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183249112/missing-titanic-submarine-rescue-pisces-iii


I think it’s way more likely that the 3 tourists at least immediately began freaking out and hyperventilating and the expended MORE oxygen early on than immediately shutting down and conserving. It’s 5 people in there, not 2- I don’t think they have as long as the original estimates which put them at 2:30 pm today. That was like best case scenario.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 03:20     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
This whole thing is like the Challenger disaster but in the opposite direction
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 03:00     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:is anyone keeping vigil tonight? i can't sleep thinking about the whereabouts of the submersible...


Ugh. Stop trying to make this about yourself.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:52     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread but it’s moving so fast. DH and I were just talking about how the oxygen countdown is accounting for all of the passengers still being alive. If anyone has already died, that leaves more oxygen for the remaining passengers. I’m not a doctor, but my experience viewing mountain climbing movies, such as Vertical Limit, leads me to believe people could succumb to death from lack of oxygen at different times, thus extending the life of others. So the countdown seems like it’s not really on point.


It’s just an estimate. If, after losing contact, they immediately began to conserve o2 by not talking, breathing slowly, not moving, they could extend the range. This is an article on the deepest rescue to date (at 1500 meters compared to 12-13k for titan). The two men managed to extend their o2 supply by almost 20%.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183249112/missing-titanic-submarine-rescue-pisces-iii


Pp - Correction, it was 1500 feet compared to 13k feet

Another article here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23862359
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:49     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread but it’s moving so fast. DH and I were just talking about how the oxygen countdown is accounting for all of the passengers still being alive. If anyone has already died, that leaves more oxygen for the remaining passengers. I’m not a doctor, but my experience viewing mountain climbing movies, such as Vertical Limit, leads me to believe people could succumb to death from lack of oxygen at different times, thus extending the life of others. So the countdown seems like it’s not really on point.


It’s just an estimate. If, after losing contact, they immediately began to conserve o2 by not talking, breathing slowly, not moving, they could extend the range. This is an article on the deepest rescue to date (at 1500 meters compared to 12-13k for titan). The two men managed to extend their o2 supply by almost 20%.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/1183249112/missing-titanic-submarine-rescue-pisces-iii
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:43     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Twitter has a tracker.

https://twitter.com/titanicsub/status/1671752373629485062?s=46&t=jpQrpUebV7l8eN2uMUeBaA

okay, re this air tracker--not sure if this has been mentioned before, but what if the captain of this submersible had a heart attack and that's why they lost contact? If so, there would be more air to breathe for longer


I read that the way it worked was that the mothership sent directions in text and the pilot steered with a video game controller. But apparently it was simple to steer and since there was a retired naval officer on board, I assume he could have taken over. Also, there were automatic fail safes to drop ballast for any failures, including if the batteries ran below 40%. The pilot’s death wouldn’t have impacted the loss of communications.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:38     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
I’ve been trying to keep up with the thread but it’s moving so fast. DH and I were just talking about how the oxygen countdown is accounting for all of the passengers still being alive. If anyone has already died, that leaves more oxygen for the remaining passengers. I’m not a doctor, but my experience viewing mountain climbing movies, such as Vertical Limit, leads me to believe people could succumb to death from lack of oxygen at different times, thus extending the life of others. So the countdown seems like it’s not really on point.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:30     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.


The “kid” is 19. What was she gonna do? Helicopter moms are not submarine moms clearly
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:28     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought the mother ship was sending it directions before they lost contact so if that’s the case how do they not know approximately where it was when contact was lost? Or do they not start sending them directions until they reach the bottom?


Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.


They lost contact fairly early on, only 90 min after launch. But the sub has had history of losing contact for a few hours before, so perhaps the mothership didn’t panic at first. Since then, the sub could have gone straight down, drifted, imploded or become snagged. It’s just such a huge space with currents going every which way, that in the subsequent hours, the possible search radius grew and grew grew.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:27     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Twitter has a tracker.

https://twitter.com/titanicsub/status/1671752373629485062?s=46&t=jpQrpUebV7l8eN2uMUeBaA

okay, re this air tracker--not sure if this has been mentioned before, but what if the captain of this submersible had a heart attack and that's why they lost contact? If so, there would be more air to breathe for longer
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:22     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Can’t believe the kids mom allowed it?! I mean if a husband wants to risk a life you can’t necessarily stop him but most moms wouldn’t let DH risk their kid’s life. Unless it was one of those you’re 18, I can’t stop you households. But usually Pakistani households aren’t like that - though I guess only 1/2 Pakistani here.


Your comment reveals your hindsight bias. They almost certainly didn’t know how risky this was. We only know now due to the intense investigations related to the incident.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 02:00     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Twitter has a tracker.

https://twitter.com/titanicsub/status/1671752373629485062?s=46&t=jpQrpUebV7l8eN2uMUeBaA
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 01:44     Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
I keep thinking, with a death wish like this and billions in the bank account, they could help thousands of victims of war around the world. Go fight in Ukraine for goodness sake. It’s just as wild of an experience plus you get to help innocent people.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 01:41     Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Only 250 people have visited the resting place of Titanic since 1985. If I had the funds; I would gladly go.

Why? Have some respect. Let them rest in peace.


Do you not want to see the pyramids? Visit Valley Forge? Gettysburg?

“They” aren’t there. Their bodies were devoured by the sea decades ago. Soon much of the wreckage will be lost to history forever as well.


You see nothing and learn nothing. It’s a tiny window and half the time you are probably sh&tting yourself hoping things don’t go wrong; sometimes they do.
It’s an ego thing. Not a really interesting or intellectual experience.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2023 01:32     Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:So funny suggesting how people should spend their money. Given they have seven ways to surface and the ocean is very big, they could be floating and not found yet.



Their money, sure. Taxpayers millions on rescuing them though? I hope the billionaire’s family foots the hill, whether he is find alive (ideally) or not.