Anonymous
06/15/2023 02:02
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:
Orlando is also a surprisingly nice and livable city. Not the area right around Disney - that is a traffic/strip mall hellhole - but outside of there. Great food, too. Huge variety, because it's such an international community.
Not surprising to me, but then I have never thought of Orlando as meaning the area around the parks. Downtown Orlando and the surrounding neighborhoods especially Winter Park, Lake Nona, Thornton Park, College Park, Mills 50, Windermere, SoDo, Dr. Phillips, are among the coolest areas in Orlando and there are more not so close to downtown. Some of us choose to stay as far away from the parks as we can in order to totally enjoy Orlando and avoid the chaotic touristy scene.
Anonymous
06/14/2023 22:46
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
I wonder if Disney still has that 10,000 acres out in Haymarket. They need to hedge their bets.
Anonymous
06/14/2023 22:03
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:WDW has had a gay day for decades. I attended it in the 90s.
Disneyland in California just had an official pride day for the first time. Attended by the Governor and Bob Iger. And they probably discussed bringing more Disney jobs back to California and expanding Disney’s footprint in the state.
Florida’s loss. TFB.
Anonymous
06/14/2023 21:53
Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
WDW has had a gay day for decades. I attended it in the 90s.
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/23/2023 20:12
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not an opinion. He is stating what he has experienced as a realtor.... that people who were initially reluctant to relocate to Orlando from California now don't want to leave. It is contrary to what people on this board claim, so his experience is worthless in their book.
Meh. Relocating is a PITA. Where I currently live is not my dream place. But I'd be reluctant to leave, too, because I've set roots down here.
If you're suggesting that they love Florida because of Ronnie's Don't Say Gay Bill, banning of books, abortion bans, dismantling of academic freedom, cruelty toward immigrants, and attacks on their employer, well I've got a bridge to sell you. And frankly, mostly of those transplants are more likely to vote against that kind of sh!t, so better that they stay and turn the state blue.
Not a single one of the things you attributed to DeSantis is anything he has done. Not one.
And, as for turning the state blue.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The first part of the post is lunacy, but the second is part is true for now. FL is firmly red; the GOP strategy of putting republicans in local office that trickle up has worked. For the first time, there are actually more registered republicans than dems in FL. Given turnout is always better for republicans, FL is a lost cause for 2024.
Not necessarily. We might have both abortion rights AND weed legalization on the ballot in 2024. The only reason Florida is so deeply red now is because Dems haven't been coming out to vote - it's a purple state, with a really dispirited Dem constituency. Weed and abortion rights can do a lot to GOTV, I think.
Do you really think you will get Florida to put abortion on the ballot as a referendum? I doubt that very seriously. You might get the weed. That’s a big possibility even for the panhandle
Why do you think we wouldn't get it? In recent years, we've banned greyhound racing and increased the minimum wage through ballot referendums. I'd say there's at least the same appetite for reinstating abortion rights as there was for banning greyhound racing.
It's not a slam dunk. We need many hundreds of thousands of signatures to get it on the ballot. But we have over a year to make that happen.
I wish you much success, but the way Florida legislatures are bowing to DeSantis on every level, I think they might try to change the law in regards to referendums to prevent the people from voting. I will be rooting from afar to let the people of Florida to at least have the right to vote on the issue.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 17:23
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Orlando is also a surprisingly nice and livable city. Not the area right around Disney - that is a traffic/strip mall hellhole - but outside of there. Great food, too. Huge variety, because it's such an international community.
If they came from SoCal and have kids, the real estate is Orlando gives you a lot more bang for your buck.
+1
A lot of people who leave CA do so because of col, especially home prices
Anonymous
05/23/2023 15:32
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not an opinion. He is stating what he has experienced as a realtor.... that people who were initially reluctant to relocate to Orlando from California now don't want to leave. It is contrary to what people on this board claim, so his experience is worthless in their book.
Meh. Relocating is a PITA. Where I currently live is not my dream place. But I'd be reluctant to leave, too, because I've set roots down here.
If you're suggesting that they love Florida because of Ronnie's Don't Say Gay Bill, banning of books, abortion bans, dismantling of academic freedom, cruelty toward immigrants, and attacks on their employer, well I've got a bridge to sell you. And frankly, mostly of those transplants are more likely to vote against that kind of sh!t, so better that they stay and turn the state blue.
Not a single one of the things you attributed to DeSantis is anything he has done. Not one.
And, as for turning the state blue.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The first part of the post is lunacy, but the second is part is true for now. FL is firmly red; the GOP strategy of putting republicans in local office that trickle up has worked. For the first time, there are actually more registered republicans than dems in FL. Given turnout is always better for republicans, FL is a lost cause for 2024.
Not necessarily. We might have both abortion rights AND weed legalization on the ballot in 2024. The only reason Florida is so deeply red now is because Dems haven't been coming out to vote - it's a purple state, with a really dispirited Dem constituency. Weed and abortion rights can do a lot to GOTV, I think.
Do you really think you will get Florida to put abortion on the ballot as a referendum? I doubt that very seriously. You might get the weed. That’s a big possibility even for the panhandle
Abortion has been on the ballot several times already. The right to privacy amendment was added in the 80s, and several attempts have been made to exclude abortion from that right. Every time, it was voted down.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 15:27
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:
Orlando is also a surprisingly nice and livable city. Not the area right around Disney - that is a traffic/strip mall hellhole - but outside of there. Great food, too. Huge variety, because it's such an international community.
If they came from SoCal and have kids, the real estate is Orlando gives you a lot more bang for your buck.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 14:14
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Hardly universal. Here are three letters to the editor of the LA Times that show that not everyone thinks or feels the same way:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2023-03-20/moved-to-florida-came-back-to-california-what-a-relief
Anonymous
05/23/2023 11:09
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Orlando is also a surprisingly nice and livable city. Not the area right around Disney - that is a traffic/strip mall hellhole - but outside of there. Great food, too. Huge variety, because it's such an international community.
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/23/2023 10:56
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not an opinion. He is stating what he has experienced as a realtor.... that people who were initially reluctant to relocate to Orlando from California now don't want to leave. It is contrary to what people on this board claim, so his experience is worthless in their book.
Meh. Relocating is a PITA. Where I currently live is not my dream place. But I'd be reluctant to leave, too, because I've set roots down here.
If you're suggesting that they love Florida because of Ronnie's Don't Say Gay Bill, banning of books, abortion bans, dismantling of academic freedom, cruelty toward immigrants, and attacks on their employer, well I've got a bridge to sell you. And frankly, mostly of those transplants are more likely to vote against that kind of sh!t, so better that they stay and turn the state blue.
Not a single one of the things you attributed to DeSantis is anything he has done. Not one.
And, as for turning the state blue.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The first part of the post is lunacy, but the second is part is true for now. FL is firmly red; the GOP strategy of putting republicans in local office that trickle up has worked. For the first time, there are actually more registered republicans than dems in FL. Given turnout is always better for republicans, FL is a lost cause for 2024.
Not necessarily. We might have both abortion rights AND weed legalization on the ballot in 2024. The only reason Florida is so deeply red now is because Dems haven't been coming out to vote - it's a purple state, with a really dispirited Dem constituency. Weed and abortion rights can do a lot to GOTV, I think.
Do you really think you will get Florida to put abortion on the ballot as a referendum? I doubt that very seriously. You might get the weed. That’s a big possibility even for the panhandle
Why do you think we wouldn't get it? In recent years, we've banned greyhound racing and increased the minimum wage through ballot referendums. I'd say there's at least the same appetite for reinstating abortion rights as there was for banning greyhound racing.
It's not a slam dunk. We need many hundreds of thousands of signatures to get it on the ballot. But we have over a year to make that happen.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 10:45
Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not an opinion. He is stating what he has experienced as a realtor.... that people who were initially reluctant to relocate to Orlando from California now don't want to leave. It is contrary to what people on this board claim, so his experience is worthless in their book.
Meh. Relocating is a PITA. Where I currently live is not my dream place. But I'd be reluctant to leave, too, because I've set roots down here.
If you're suggesting that they love Florida because of Ronnie's Don't Say Gay Bill, banning of books, abortion bans, dismantling of academic freedom, cruelty toward immigrants, and attacks on their employer, well I've got a bridge to sell you. And frankly, mostly of those transplants are more likely to vote against that kind of sh!t, so better that they stay and turn the state blue.
Not a single one of the things you attributed to DeSantis is anything he has done. Not one.
And, as for turning the state blue.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The first part of the post is lunacy, but the second is part is true for now. FL is firmly red; the GOP strategy of putting republicans in local office that trickle up has worked. For the first time, there are actually more registered republicans than dems in FL. Given turnout is always better for republicans, FL is a lost cause for 2024.
Not necessarily. We might have both abortion rights AND weed legalization on the ballot in 2024. The only reason Florida is so deeply red now is because Dems haven't been coming out to vote - it's a purple state, with a really dispirited Dem constituency. Weed and abortion rights can do a lot to GOTV, I think.
Do you really think you will get Florida to put abortion on the ballot as a referendum? I doubt that very seriously. You might get the weed. That’s a big possibility even for the panhandle