Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the time this all took place, December to February 2016-2017, Republicans in Congress were glad Flynn went down because they thought he had shady foreign ties and a pro-Russian policy agenda they didn’t agree with.

Look how much has changed in the few years, that GOP Senators spent July 4th in Moscow, that Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and other GOP house members with legal or other skeletons, have all magically turned to Trumpism, have turned to Russia isn't an enemy and have helped crater our economy and global standing.

I wonder why?

We have discovered that the heads of the IC, under Obama, were not trustworthy. We have had our eyes opened to the presence of rogue agents who targeted political opponents.

No, you have been manipulated by the same people who conspired with the Russians.

If you don't believe that, then demand the FULL, and unedited recordings and transcripts of Flynn's calls with Kislyak. anything short of full disclosure is a cover up.

LOL. We have seen the texts between Strzok and Page. We have seen the IG's FISA report.
Those that conspired with Russia seem to be the DNC and the Clinton campaign. And, those groups will never manipulate me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the time this all took place, December to February 2016-2017, Republicans in Congress were glad Flynn went down because they thought he had shady foreign ties and a pro-Russian policy agenda they didn’t agree with.

Look how much has changed in the few years, that GOP Senators spent July 4th in Moscow, that Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and other GOP house members with legal or other skeletons, have all magically turned to Trumpism, have turned to Russia isn't an enemy and have helped crater our economy and global standing.

I wonder why?

We have discovered that the heads of the IC, under Obama, were not trustworthy. We have had our eyes opened to the presence of rogue agents who targeted political opponents.

No, you have been manipulated by the same people who conspired with the Russians.

If you don't believe that, then demand the FULL, and unedited recordings and transcripts of Flynn's calls with Kislyak. anything short of full disclosure is a cover up.

Sure. Let's have them.
And, while we are at it, let's declassify and release Obama's and his administration's conversations with Iran during the Iran deal. And, the conversations that occurred during the Benghazi attack. Especially between Clinton and Susan Rice.
Democrats want all transcripts during the Trump admin. released. Fine - let's do the same for the previous administration.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the time this all took place, December to February 2016-2017, Republicans in Congress were glad Flynn went down because they thought he had shady foreign ties and a pro-Russian policy agenda they didn’t agree with.

Look how much has changed in the few years, that GOP Senators spent July 4th in Moscow, that Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and other GOP house members with legal or other skeletons, have all magically turned to Trumpism, have turned to Russia isn't an enemy and have helped crater our economy and global standing.

I wonder why?

We have discovered that the heads of the IC, under Obama, were not trustworthy. We have had our eyes opened to the presence of rogue agents who targeted political opponents.

No, you have been manipulated by the same people who conspired with the Russians.

If you don't believe that, then demand the FULL, and unedited recordings and transcripts of Flynn's calls with Kislyak. anything short of full disclosure is a cover up.

Anonymous wrote:At the time this all took place, December to February 2016-2017, Republicans in Congress were glad Flynn went down because they thought he had shady foreign ties and a pro-Russian policy agenda they didn’t agree with.

Look how much has changed in the few years, that GOP Senators spent July 4th in Moscow, that Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and other GOP house members with legal or other skeletons, have all magically turned to Trumpism, have turned to Russia isn't an enemy and have helped crater our economy and global standing.

I wonder why?

We have discovered that the heads of the IC, under Obama, were not trustworthy. We have had our eyes opened to the presence of rogue agents who targeted political opponents.

At the time this all took place, December to February 2016-2017, Republicans in Congress were glad Flynn went down because they thought he had shady foreign ties and a pro-Russian policy agenda they didn’t agree with.

Look how much has changed in the few years, that GOP Senators spent July 4th in Moscow, that Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and other GOP house members with legal or other skeletons, have all magically turned to Trumpism, have turned to Russia isn't an enemy and have helped crater our economy and global standing.

I wonder why?

Susan Rice: When I am conducting rogue, politically-motivated investigations against political opponents I always write memos to myself *after* the lost election detailing what I've done which cleverly leaves an indelible paper trail leading people to my every move!


Come on, people, wake up.

(no she didn't write or say that, but that is the motivation being put out in this forum)

Anonymous wrote:Susan Rice, the person who went on 5 Sunday shows and lied about the whole Benghazi attack, went on PBS in 2017 and lied again.
The email she sent herself trying to justify the Obama administrations use of slimy tactics proves it.
I wonder if she will tell the truth under oath.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-resurfaced-2017-comments-deny-knowledge-trump-team-surveillance-flynn

I think you're mixing up diplomacy with criminal charges.

Rice has never filed as a foreign agent.

Susan Rice, the person who went on 5 Sunday shows and lied about the whole Benghazi attack, went on PBS in 2017 and lied again.
The email she sent herself trying to justify the Obama administrations use of slimy tactics proves it.
I wonder if she will tell the truth under oath.

During an April 2017 appearance on PBS News Hour, Rice was asked about the then-breaking revelations about members of President Trump's transition team having been surveilled before he took office.

"In the last few hours, we've been following a disclosure by the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, that in essence, during the final days of the Obama administration, during the transition after President Trump had been elected, that he and the people around him may have been caught up in surveillance of foreign individuals and their identities may have been disclosed. Do you know anything about this?" PBS anchor Judy Woodruff asked.

"I know nothing about this," Rice said at the time. "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-resurfaced-2017-comments-deny-knowledge-trump-team-surveillance-flynn

If you read the released documents for yourself and not through the MAGA filter, they are really very damning to the Trump campaign and transition team. Most objective people will be reading them through an independent lens.

If the American public wants to get to the bottom of this, and the Administration wants to clear Flynn, then release the full transcripts of all of the calls between Flynn and Kislyak, Flynn and the Turks and Flynn and the Israeli's.

Further, release the WhatsApp transcripts between Junior and the Saudi's and the israeli's.

If you want to prove you aren't a traitor, then be fully transparent.

Everyone defending Flynn is missing the larger point. He was rolled up because of the people who were being legally surveiled. Don't want your calls recorded? Don't call the bad guys.

It's pretty simple.

Anonymous wrote:So let's summarize.

Trump selects as his incoming National Security Advisor a 3-star General who has served his country very honorably for 33 years.There was no love lost between Flynn and Obama, largely because Flynn didn't agree with Obama's anemic response to Al Qaeda and ISIS. Flynn also believed China was a threat.

Flynn was clearly being surveilled and targeted long before Dec., 2016. At a Jan. 5 Oval Office meeting (attending.. Comey, Obama, Biden, Rice, Clapper and Yates) , Director Comey stated to selected attendees of that meeting that it would potentially be bad if sensitive information were to be shared with Flynn (and, presumably, the Trump administration in general since Flynn would undoubtedly find out) because Flynn had had conversations with Kislyak. He had no evidence of any wrongdoing, mind you. He even stated that he had no evidence that confidential info had been shared with the Russians. Yates later testified that she first heard about Flynn's call with Kislyak at this meeting.

Susan Rice drafts an email to herself at the very time Trump is being inaugurated. She uses "by the book" 3 times in the email. Days after the inauguration, Comey sends two agents to interview Flynn. This was not at all "by the book" (as he has stated publicly). As a result of this interview, Flynn is ultimately charged with lying to the agents. He pleaded guilty because, according to him, they threatened to prosecute his son (for what, we don't know) and having never seen the 302, he thought the FBI agents had stated they thought he was lying to them. He spent over 6 million on his defense and his attorneys encouraged him to take the plea. Now, with a new attorney, he wants to withdraw his plea - the defense claims the prosecution withheld exculpatory information among other things, including the original 302.

So, administration did not share sensitive information with the incoming administration based on the word of a since disgraced FBI Director with no evidence at all. An investigation of a 3-star General was conducted based on no evidence other than phone calls which were within his responsibility to make. The previous administration has caused Flynn and countess others to go through hell and ago into incredible debt based on a phony investigation based on Russian disinformation.

So, who exactly is subverting democracy here?

You are speculating on a motive and speculation doesn't make it so. Flynn had a documented record of insubordination at DIA. Has Obama ever shown retaliatory behavior before? Trump sure has.

What evidence shows Flynn was surveilled (beyond his illegal activity associated with Turkey and efforts to cover-up therein)?

Under the context that the Russians influenced the election in favor of Trump and given the WH had just learned that an official associated with Trump subsequently had a conversation with the Russians directing them to respond to the current administration in a certain way (to which they complied), I would worry that the incoming Administration had been compromised. I would hope the FBI director would act prudently with regard to sharing sensitive information with that official until the issue had been resolved in some way.

There is absolutely nothing untoward about drafting an email to yourself for the record - this is common and really is done "for the record" and to note (for the record) that everything was done by the book - it is CYA, to be sure, but also very common ion the government. You would be stupid NOT to do it. You may ask, why was it not done shortly after the small group meeting? Because when you have information suggesting an official close to the incoming administration could possibly be involved with the Russians - who had just targeted our election - you better darn well have confidence that anything you put down in writing can be supported by additional information. By the time of the inauguration, the preliminary review by FBI probably found enough information to justify conducting a more thorough investigation. Since the investigation had legs and he old administration was departing, it would make sense to draft something for the record.

It really wasn't Flynn's responsibility to make those calls and have that conversation at that time.

Go read her email again. Just read a tweet that said she was trying to cover for Obama by blaming Comey.........

Anonymous wrote:The Trump emails surfaced in the Mueller investigation include the President’s son saying how much the campaign would love some Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The Obama emails are like “make sure everything’s by the book!”

Those weren't Obama's emails. That was a bogus email written after the fact to provide cover in case questions were asked about the administration's behavior.

The Trump emails surfaced in the Mueller investigation include the President’s son saying how much the campaign would love some Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The Obama emails are like “make sure everything’s by the book!”