Anonymous wrote:I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

Do you know what happens when you put a red drop of paint on a cute baby chick? The other chicks see it and peck, peck, peck, attack it until it's dead.

Brock of course is not a baby chick but he isn't exactly Ted Bundy either. It seems so obvious that he got drunk, this young woman got drunk, one thing led to another and he touched her body inappropriately while she was passed out. Yeah, that was pretty awful of him. But he's been convicted and he'll serve his time.

What I don't get is the peck, peck, pecking on this guy - is he really that horrible of a monster? And I don't understand why this victim is being portrayed as a modern day hero. She played a role in victimizing and hurting herself.

I don't get it.

Anonymous wrote:Something about his eyes...reminds me of Adam Lanza. Very disturbing.

I hadn't thought of Adam Lanza, but I've also thought his eyes/gaze look a bit odd. Then I read somewhere that he's socially awkward. And his behavior with his victim seems strange or "off," in addition to the criminal aspects.

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Anonymous wrote:So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

Wtf, who CARES if he had much experience with drugs, parties, or women? Inexperience in any arena does not excuse sex with a partner who cannot consent. This is the most basic concept, it is UNREAL that people are defending this guy.

Exactly. It is not acceptable to "learn" this behavior is wrong by trial and error. A witch hunt?? Please. He ran away! He knew what he was doing was wrong, and yet blames "drinking culture" for his actions. Dirtbag, indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

Wtf, who CARES if he had much experience with drugs, parties, or women? Inexperience in any arena does not excuse sex with a partner who cannot consent. This is the most basic concept, it is UNREAL that people are defending this guy.

I'm not defending him. But people are characterizing this guy in unfair ways...why? Isn't what he DID do bad enough?

Anonymous wrote:So, apparently he didn't seem very drunk. That makes this a very different scenario, a very bad one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3633147/He-didn-t-drunk-wasn-t-slurring-Student-chased-Stanford-rapist-describes-attacker-tried-escape-says-check-unconscious-victim-alive.html

That article makes it sound like she walked outside and he jumped her, dragged her behind those dumpsters and attacked her. The swedes saw him humping the unconscious woman behind the dumpsters.

So where did the kissing that these two did come in? I thought Emily admitted to kissing him. Who kisses a man who is jumping, dragging, attacking and humping them behind a dumpster?

I think there are some things missing from that article.

Anonymous wrote:So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

Wtf, who CARES if he had much experience with drugs, parties, or women? Inexperience in any arena does not excuse sex with a partner who cannot consent. This is the most basic concept, it is UNREAL that people are defending this guy.

Something about his eyes...reminds me of Adam Lanza. Very disturbing.

I'm amazed by the number and fervor of anonymous rape apologists. Really eye opening, in the most unfortunate way.

Best commentary I've read on the subject "She knew what she was doing by having a vagina on a Friday night."

So he started experimenting with alcohol/drugs the spring of his Senior year of HS and this incident with Emily Doe occurred in January of his freshman year of college (he was a 19 year old freshman, she was a 22 year old college grad with a FT job and a boyfriend). I'm still going to view this guy as a relative newbie to drinking/partying and specifically college parties - and women. He probably didn't have a great deal of experience being at drinking parties with women...

To have the freakin' Vice President of the United States voice an opinion about this is pretty amazing. And to have Barbara Boxer applaud the victim for being brave enough to "come forward"...assuming that you can call sleeping it off in the hospital, waking up with no memory of how you got there and no clue as to what happened to you "coming forward". Would the victim have gone through the rape kit and the crime photography of naked body over being groped/fingered by some drunken hookup? I know that I sure as hell wouldn't.

The only reason that this got as far as it did is because she blacked out. She was terrified of wth may have happened to her...because she didn't know. I feel bad for her. And I am disgusted on her behalf that Brock touched her passed out body the way he did. He had no right to do that.

It all seems like a bit of a witch hunt to me...I actually find myself feeling bad for BOTH of these young people. They have both lost so much...

So, apparently he didn't seem very drunk. That makes this a very different scenario, a very bad one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3633147/He-didn-t-drunk-wasn-t-slurring-Student-chased-Stanford-rapist-describes-attacker-tried-escape-says-check-unconscious-victim-alive.html

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Anonymous wrote:This probably was posted earlier but Brock was into drugs and alcohol before Stanford so his statement that he was so innocent on the college scene was BS. There are other accusations against him from women before this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630552/Court-files-Stanford-rapist-lied-inexperience-alcohol-cell-phone-evidence-includes-videos-smoking-bong-texts-dropping-acid.html

What a loser

I thought many posters on this thread didn't have a problem with people getting drunk, passing out, blacking out, and using drugs. If so, why would this info matter?

cuz he's a loser who lied to the judge about his past drug use.
He's a liar and that fits his profile as a sexual predator. Glad he will be on the registry for the rest of his days.

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Anonymous wrote:This probably was posted earlier but Brock was into drugs and alcohol before Stanford so his statement that he was so innocent on the college scene was BS. There are other accusations against him from women before this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630552/Court-files-Stanford-rapist-lied-inexperience-alcohol-cell-phone-evidence-includes-videos-smoking-bong-texts-dropping-acid.html

What a loser

I thought many posters on this thread didn't have a problem with people getting drunk, passing out, blacking out, and using drugs. If so, why would this info matter?

Anonymous wrote:This probably was posted earlier but Brock was into drugs and alcohol before Stanford so his statement that he was so innocent on the college scene was BS. There are other accusations against him from women before this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630552/Court-files-Stanford-rapist-lied-inexperience-alcohol-cell-phone-evidence-includes-videos-smoking-bong-texts-dropping-acid.html

What a loser

This probably was posted earlier but Brock was into drugs and alcohol before Stanford so his statement that he was so innocent on the college scene was BS. There are other accusations against him from women before this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630552/Court-files-Stanford-rapist-lied-inexperience-alcohol-cell-phone-evidence-includes-videos-smoking-bong-texts-dropping-acid.html

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad to me is that things like this happened from time to time when I was in college in the 80s. No one called it assault. No one reported it. The women felt like crap for drinking too much or trusting the wrong guy. It's taking time but the perspective us changing. Emily Doe may end having a big effect on the national conversation. Good outcome to a bad event.

Huh? Yes even back in the day it was frowned upon BIG TIME to sexually touch a passed out woman...or photograph her...or invite other guys in to look at her...whatever. Same with women and passed out men - it would have been frowned upon to touch a passed out guy's body/take pictures of him/invite the girls in to gawk at him. In general, college kids treat each other with decency thank goodness. But there are some that don't and they were viewed as a problem then just as much as they are now.

Women feel shame when this happens because they know that they drank way too much, allowed a guy that they didn't know to have access to their body, then passed out and lost complete control and memory over what may/may not have happened to them. And they have no way to know what happened or prove that anything happened much less who was responsible.

It has never been a good idea to get Black out drunk. And passing out outside on a public street by a dumpster is about as out of control as it gets.

I know what I saw and heard in college. I know the things that went on. You may say it was frowned upon big time. But honestly at my small private college in NE no one said much of anything. In my perspective things have vastly changed. You may have a different experience. But that does not make mine invalid

You could get yourself arrested and kicked out of school for being a part of this sort of thing - yes, sexually touching/abusing a passed out person was absolutely frowned on at the large public university that I went to.

When I was in school, it was also greatly frowned upon for a woman to get really drunk and pass out.

Well that happened then and it will continue to happen. Young people don't always know their tolerance levels and unfortunately sometimes it takes a few hangovers and even a black out or two to understand your limits. However, I saw some mighty wild things in college but never once saw anyone passed out drunk on a public street. That is pretty bad.