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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It's so weird that a fan would not listen to them...She released them, so why not listen to how she made the song?

What's truly weird is that a self-professed hater would buy the different albums all so that they could listen to her voice memos - don't you think? I haven't bought any of her albums, I simply listen to the songs I like via streaming. And I'd consider myself a fan. How do you explain *your* obsession?

I find it interesting to hear about how people develop songs. I watched the entire Beatles documentary. That’s how I learned Paul is a jerk and John had major issues.

Previously, I believed Tay was this amazing songwriter. Once I listened to the memos, I learned she interrupts the producers she hired, can’t sing on key, and offers lame lyrics. She was also seeking praise from her producers for her bad ideas.

Ariana, in a video of her working with Martin, can do MUCH more with her voice and one can see her talent. I do t even like her or listen to her music, but I can see she is an excellent singer.

Nice try anyway with attacking me for “buying” albums with her voice memos.
That doesn’t make for much of an argument in your favor. And I also did not buy the albums with the memos.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It reminds me of "Actually Romantic," tbh! I'm not a fan of that song, but it completely applies to the rabid haters here. They spend SO much time and energy researching the mundane and diving down internet rabbit holes that normal people simply don't care about. Someone else was referring to Swift fans as "parasocial," but that term perfectly describes her haters. It's pretty amusing.

TBH, I wouldn’t point out that song as being anything but cringe. She says it makes her get sexual pleasure from it, (but not in a lesbian way, one would presume). In the manly “ I get sexual pleasure when I establish dominance over women” kind of way.

“Dominance”? It is indeed a cringey song, but you’re reading waaaaaaay too much into it.

Nope. That is what it means. If you can’t understand the implied/implicit meaning behind things, cool, but those kind of statements (this is like a guy saying he gets “wood” when a woman talks bad about him) have dominance/power behind it. Especially when Taylor is clearly top of the music food chain at the moment, this is a power play. By all means, give it your own shallow reading, but it is CRINGEY!!!

Oh wow. What's cringey is your entire take. Gross, in fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Are TS and MM haters the same people? Or is this personality that common? Get. A. Hobby. So weird. I can’t imagine expending so much energy on something I dislike.

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But I think the TS haters are the Kate Middleton haters. Same tone in all their posts. Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I delusional, or does Ruin The Friendship sound just like the opening of When We Are Together by The 1975 and It Ain’t Over Till It’s Over by Lenny Kravitz?! Did she choose that deliberately?

That song is so out of place on the album. One theory is she is saying she doesnt regret ruining her friendship with mattt by dating. I dont know if I buy it. Did they have a friendship or a ten year fliration? Maybe she just needed a 12th song for her 12th album?

Oh for God’s sake. That song is about her good friend from HS who died and how she wished she had “ruined the friendship” by seeing if it could have been more. The boy’s mother even commented on it. It has nothing to do with MH and some of you need to move on, already.
https://people.com/mom-of-late-taylor-swift-friend-jeff-lang-breaks-silence-on-ruin-the-friendship-shes-keeping-his-name-alive-11830773

Are TS and MM haters the same people? Or is this personality that common? Get. A. Hobby. So weird. I can’t imagine expending so much energy on something I dislike.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody in real life has cared about this album after the week it released.

Sure, that's what you keep saying as you continue to post here about this album.

For real though.

Anonymous wrote:Am I delusional, or does Ruin The Friendship sound just like the opening of When We Are Together by The 1975 and It Ain’t Over Till It’s Over by Lenny Kravitz?! Did she choose that deliberately?

That song is so out of place on the album. One theory is she is saying she doesnt regret ruining her friendship with mattt by dating. I dont know if I buy it. Did they have a friendship or a ten year fliration? Maybe she just needed a 12th song for her 12th album?

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It reminds me of "Actually Romantic," tbh! I'm not a fan of that song, but it completely applies to the rabid haters here. They spend SO much time and energy researching the mundane and diving down internet rabbit holes that normal people simply don't care about. Someone else was referring to Swift fans as "parasocial," but that term perfectly describes her haters. It's pretty amusing.

TBH, I wouldn’t point out that song as being anything but cringe. She says it makes her get sexual pleasure from it, (but not in a lesbian way, one would presume). In the manly “ I get sexual pleasure when I establish dominance over women” kind of way.

“Dominance”? It is indeed a cringey song, but you’re reading waaaaaaay too much into it.

Nope. That is what it means. If you can’t understand the implied/implicit meaning behind things, cool, but those kind of statements (this is like a guy saying he gets “wood” when a woman talks bad about him) have dominance/power behind it. Especially when Taylor is clearly top of the music food chain at the moment, this is a power play. By all means, give it your own shallow reading, but it is CRINGEY!!!

Oh wow. What's cringey is your entire take. Gross, in fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody in real life has cared about this album after the week it released.

my 11 year old daughter is still listening to it. It lasted longer than some other recent pop star new albums. But oddly, I've only heard Ophelia on the radio 2-3 times. It hasn't hit heavy radio rotation of sabrina's man's best friend album songs (which my daughter never listens to despite listening to her last one a lot).

Are you kidding? I hear Ophelia over and over and over - and see TikToks of the dance, which has become a huge trend.

Anonymous wrote:Nobody in real life has cared about this album after the week it released.

Sure, that's what you keep saying as you continue to post here about this album.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It reminds me of "Actually Romantic," tbh! I'm not a fan of that song, but it completely applies to the rabid haters here. They spend SO much time and energy researching the mundane and diving down internet rabbit holes that normal people simply don't care about. Someone else was referring to Swift fans as "parasocial," but that term perfectly describes her haters. It's pretty amusing.

She trained people to go down rabbit holes and even used that same term “rabbit hole” in an interview.

That’s why she installed orange doors across the world with QR codes that took you to AI-made videos that allowed you to decode a word and all twelve words from the twelve doors turned into a message to buy a pink record from Target.

And you make fun of the FANS for going down the rabbit holes that she has trained them to go down?

Tell your leader to stop making Easter eggs and rabbit holes then.

No, the PP clearly is making fan of rabid haters who go down the rabbit holes. For a fan who enjoys that kind of thing as a puzzle, more power to them. I am not into it. I don't feel "trained" to do it. I just browse reddit and see what people come up with and think "oh, that's interesting" but you don't even need to do that to just enjoy her music. I vaguely remember reading about the orange doors but I, a casual fan, don't know as much about it as what you wrote.

I would think a hater would not follow the rabbit holes since it's so unpleasant to them. It's strange if they do.

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Yep. Like the haters who constantly seek out threads about her to tell us all about these wild rabbit holes and Easter eggs they've been researching - oh, but they also really hate her, and don't you forget it! It's all so amusing.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It reminds me of "Actually Romantic," tbh! I'm not a fan of that song, but it completely applies to the rabid haters here. They spend SO much time and energy researching the mundane and diving down internet rabbit holes that normal people simply don't care about. Someone else was referring to Swift fans as "parasocial," but that term perfectly describes her haters. It's pretty amusing.

TBH, I wouldn’t point out that song as being anything but cringe. She says it makes her get sexual pleasure from it, (but not in a lesbian way, one would presume). In the manly “ I get sexual pleasure when I establish dominance over women” kind of way.

If she left out the wet line it would work. Its one of the better songs. Imo fate of ophelia, actually romantic, ruin the fruendship, and maybe cancelled are the only decent songs, but the wet line nearly ruins actually romantic completely. Why do it. Wood nearly ruins the album c9mpletely. Why do it? I feel like there is some self sabatage going on. Like she wants to be popular but low key hates her fans and what she has to do to be popular with her fans. She really is a weirdo (terminal uniqueness) but is beloved for being the opposit: the gooofy, studious girl next door who lands the movie star or football king. She isnt basic but is beloved for being basic and knows it - read the poem about her fans at eras. Low key hates her fans and cant help herself in this album to see how far she can push them away without losing them.. Or wood is a sister song to the smallest man and shows shes still hung up on matty.

I agree with the bolded. The wet line is awful and totally ruined the song. Wood is awful too. I definitely skip those songs.

But "hates her fans"? No. That's just a bizarre take. I think in so many of her songs, she admits to being a socially inept "weirdo," and that is endearing to a lot of people who are the same way. She is awkward, endearingly so. And her fans love that about her.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It's so weird that a fan would not listen to them...She released them, so why not listen to how she made the song?

Weird question. I’m a casual fan. I have a life. I enjoy the music, but I don’t go down every Taylor Swift rabbit hole.

So you are suggesting her many fans who interpret her Easter eggs don’t have a life. Okay.

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DP, but the question is - why is a hater like you ALSO spending time on her Easter eggs? When I dislike an entertainer for whatever reason, I make a point to *not* pay any attention to them. So funny that you do... exactly the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It reminds me of "Actually Romantic," tbh! I'm not a fan of that song, but it completely applies to the rabid haters here. They spend SO much time and energy researching the mundane and diving down internet rabbit holes that normal people simply don't care about. Someone else was referring to Swift fans as "parasocial," but that term perfectly describes her haters. It's pretty amusing.

TBH, I wouldn’t point out that song as being anything but cringe. She says it makes her get sexual pleasure from it, (but not in a lesbian way, one would presume). In the manly “ I get sexual pleasure when I establish dominance over women” kind of way.

I agree and invite you to Google the many photos of her establishing dominance over others by putting items on their head. She often puts wine glasses and such on people’s heads but she has even stuck five-pound awards on the heads of other singers.

If anyone needs a citation, go google the many photos of her doing this. She never does it with people she considers above her.

Good grief. You need a new hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the same people calling her boring and phony are so seized on her alleged hot and deeply passionate relationship with that rat-faced singer and psycho-analyzing all of her lyrics allegedly about him. Her entire life is fake. She doesn't know up from down. She's a socially stunted child star weirdo. And she clearly isn't writing all of her songs, she obvi has teams of ghostwriters signing NDAs, so I wouldn't read anything into the babble she sings.

You just described yourself. And yes - she does indeed write her own songs either alone or with collaborators (Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner, Shellback, Max Martin, Bon Iver, etc.) - and she credits them each and every time.

She does not credit people every single time or she would have credited Michael Jackson and "I Want You Back" for using his ideas for "Wood" on TLOAS.

Antonoff is over her.

Shellback and Martin are likely over her by now. You can hear how she doesn't listen to Martin and Shellback and talks over them if you listen to her voice memos. If you listen to Ariana and Martin working together, you see a whole different level of professionalism and collaboration.

It's fine. She can be mid and still sell out her stadiums. Her core fans will buy anything at this point--even broken TLOAS hairbrushes and lightning bolt necklaces that break.

You keep bringing up her “voice memos.” I have no idea what you’re referencing. But how funny that someone who thinks she’s “mid” and is fixated on baseless, evidence-free claims, knows all about obscure things that most people couldn’t care less about.

You are the very definition of a “core fan,” which must be upsetting for you to acknowledge!

I thought the same thing! I’m actually a pretty big Taylor fan and I have never heard these voice memos lol.

It’s so weird that a non-fan would bother.

It's so weird that a fan would not listen to them...She released them, so why not listen to how she made the song?

Weird question. I’m a casual fan. I have a life. I enjoy the music, but I don’t go down every Taylor Swift rabbit hole.

Exactly. Which brings us back to the point that the haters are MUCH more obsessed with her than the fans.
DP