Anonymous wrote:Rittenhouse obvi

Kyle at the house actually made me smile. I needed that.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

For all we know, ICE agents took his license after they murdered him.

Are you saying ICE agents would lie, steal, cover-up, or otherwise break the law?

I do recall the lead weight of "f---ing b---h."

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Provide a source that isn’t the feds saying he didn’t have ID.

I think this, as much as anything, really showcases the dichotomy between the thought process of Dems and MAGA.

After Charlie Kirk was murdered, lots of Dems immediately condemned it, said it was wrong, etc. Admittedly, not all, and some AH's even celebrated, but most run-of-the-mill Dems were appalled. Everyone I knew was.

I have yet to hear a single MAGA supporter say that this, or the shooting if Renee Good, was wrong. Not one..not publicly, and none of the MAGA people I know.

To me, it shows this - Dems are still capable of exercising independent thought and critical reasoning. Yes, they abhorred what Charlie Kirk stood for, but they also thought it was wrong to murder him. Both things could exist at the same time.

MAGA genuinely does not seem capable of that level of independent thought. It should not be hard for someone to watch these videos and say, "yes, this was messed up." It doesn't have to mean you don't support Trump. Just acknowledging that what happened in this instance was not ok. But they can't, no matter how plain the evidence. It's like their brains are literally not able to disagree with their leader. It's both sad and scary. And I genuinely don't know how we as a country recover and get back to normal function ever again.

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Anonymous wrote:Way more undocumented immigrants in Florida and Texas so anyone that thinks it’s about immigration in Minneapolis is fooling themselves.
Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota saying they’d leave if they released their voter base information.

Florida and Texas are sanctuary states. Republicans do not care about immigrants. They only care about terrorizing white blue cities.

ICE does not go in to Red states.

Nonsense. States like Texas, Florida and Tennessee were among the top states for immigration arrests last year. Things go more smoothly because local and state law enforcement cooperate with ICE. They turn over illegal immigrants who encounter law enforcement and don’t have leaders agitating for their followers to riot against lawful immigration enforcement.

This is such a ridiculous view because 1. It assumes all undocumented are secondary offenders #
And that's all ICE is picking up 2. ICE in many cities is pulling people straight out of immigration hearings and citizens OFF THE STREET and 3. In Florida esp, the right's beloved immigrants...cubans seeking refugee status, aren't being pulled off the streets.



So miss us pleas with the " if you only cooperate" angle.

+1 Additionally they are pulling people out of naturalization ceremonies, FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/C4KaFjJnV44

ICE agents are getting cash bonuses for arresting people, even if for no legitimate reason, even if those people are released the next day. Even if they know the people they arrest will be released.

Are they getting it immediately in payroll? Or is it rolled into their hiring bonus and they'll have to pay it back if they have less than perfect job performance for five years?

I don't know, but ICE bonuses are budgeted at $858 million. That's just bonuses, on top of salary.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

For all we know, ICE agents took his license after they murdered him.

Are you saying ICE agents would lie, steal, cover-up, or otherwise break the law?

The upside to this is that the Trump administration and MAGA are clearly not serious about the 2nd Amendment. So this may be an excellent time to work with the Trump administration and pass gun control legislation.

Trump, Noem, Bovino and most Republicans in the House all seem very amendable to restrictions. Democrats should work with ant- 2nd Amendment MAGA Republicans and get things done.

Anonymous wrote:Alex Pretti's gun is like Renee Good's car: irrelevant to the central fact that they were murdered by ICE. ICE wants us to debate whether Pretti should have been carrying because that avoids the central fact. Pro-carry, anti-carry--that has as much to do w/ his murder as his fashion choices. Zero.

When any of us enter the debate about Alex Pretti's gun, we're implicitly allowing that there could be a reason this wasn't plain murder, which is why we have to make the case that it was. We don't have to make the case. It's on video. We saw it. No debate. -- https://bsky.app/profile/jeffsharlet.bsky.social

Exactly.
ICE shot him in the back 10+ times while he was immobilized and on the ground. That’s an extrajudicial killing.

Alex Pretti's gun is like Renee Good's car: irrelevant to the central fact that they were murdered by ICE. ICE wants us to debate whether Pretti should have been carrying because that avoids the central fact. Pro-carry, anti-carry--that has as much to do w/ his murder as his fashion choices. Zero.

When any of us enter the debate about Alex Pretti's gun, we're implicitly allowing that there could be a reason this wasn't plain murder, which is why we have to make the case that it was. We don't have to make the case. It's on video. We saw it. No debate. -- https://bsky.app/profile/jeffsharlet.bsky.social

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When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

This is why these agents don’t belong in urban environments where protestors and crowds are inevitable, and where they are intentionally provoking those protestors by pepper spraying them at close range for daring to help a person they’ve shoved to the ground to get back up on her feet.

Police protocol when a gun is seen on a suspect or other individual police are attempting to apprehend is to 1) notify all officers by yelling ‘gun, gun, gun,’ then 2) remove the firearm from the suspect/individual, then 3) the officer who has removed the firearm then yells ‘gun secured, gun secured’ so other officers on the scene don’t pump a full clip of ammo into an unarmed individual while they are defenseless on the ground.

These agents, regardless of time in uniform, are simply not sufficiently trained for this assignment and they need to be withdrawn from Minneapolis and all other cities ASAP.

It’s not training. It is orders from the top. They are doing what they are told to do.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Welp, too late to charge him with anything now! But those agents certainly didn’t know he didn’t have ID on him when they shot him, and it wouldn’t have been grounds for shooting him anyway.

Let’s keep in mind the people saying he didn’t have ID are the same ones lying to us about absolutely everything else.

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When the deceased man was struggling with federal agents, one of the agents saw his gun and yelled “gun”. I believe one of the agents removed the deceased man’s gun during the struggle, but not all of the agents knew that. When the agents are searching the man’s body after he passed, one of them is heard asking “where’s the gun?”

These are trying to do a dangerous job and have protestors/rioters constantly in their faces. They were faced with a man resisting arrest who possessed a gun. I believe that was their mindset.

This is why these agents don’t belong in urban environments where protestors and crowds are inevitable, and where they are intentionally provoking those protestors by pepper spraying them at close range for daring to help a person they’ve shoved to the ground to get back up on her feet.

Police protocol when a gun is seen on a suspect or other individual police are attempting to apprehend is to 1) notify all officers by yelling ‘gun, gun, gun,’ then 2) remove the firearm from the suspect/individual, then 3) the officer who has removed the firearm then yells ‘gun secured, gun secured’ so other officers on the scene don’t pump a full clip of ammo into an unarmed individual while they are defenseless on the ground.

These agents, regardless of time in uniform, are simply not sufficiently trained for this assignment and they need to be withdrawn from Minneapolis and all other cities ASAP.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Im confused. What bearing does the existence of an ID card have? It's not like he was asked to present one by ICE officers. Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Failure to carry an ID is not punishable by death. Quit trying to justify a summary execution.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said he does not think that Alex Pretti was brandishing a gun at the time of his fatal shooting.

"I have seen different experts and people analyzing the video that have made statements about that, I cannot speculate, but I don't have any evidence that I've seen that suggests that the weapon was brandished," O'Hara said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

O'Hara also said he does not think Pretti violated the state's gun laws.

"You have a Second Amendment right in the United States to possess a firearm, and there are some restrictions around that in Minnesota," O'Hara said. "And everything that we see, that we are aware of, shows that he did not violate any of those restrictions. He is not a convicted felon, and he is someone that did have a permit for the handgun to carry it." ”

Star tribune.

So happy the actual real police are setting the record straight! The fake, made up ice workers are not deported in their lies and deceit!

He should read up on the gun laws then.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/public-services-bca/firearms-information/permit-carry/permit-carry-faq

the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

For all we know, ICE agents took his license after they murdered him.